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Old 03-19-2013, 06:04 AM   #16
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Tablets are not a trend. Mobile devices are not a trend. They are a reality. Computing has changed. Just closing your eyes and pretend it will go away doesn't solve the problem.
May I ask why you're not posting this from your tablet then?
 
Old 03-19-2013, 07:16 AM   #17
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Tablets are not a trend. Mobile devices are not a trend. They are a reality. Computing has changed. Just closing your eyes and pretend it will go away doesn't solve the problem.
Lol. I know they are real So were/are netbooks. I really appreciate the importance of mobile phones. It's tablets that I see little use of.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 07:29 AM   #18
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May I ask why you're not posting this from your tablet then?
Because this site is optimized for PCs, see this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...es-4175451254/
 
Old 03-19-2013, 07:32 AM   #19
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Lol. I know they are real So were/are netbooks. I really appreciate the importance of mobile phones. It's tablets that I see little use of.
In fact I referred mainly to mobile phones but conceptually there's no difference between tablets and mobiles, only the size.

I use a Samsung Galaxy 4.2 player which is the size of a phone, without the phone.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 07:38 AM   #20
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Because this site is optimized for PCs, see this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...es-4175451254/
Rubbish!
The web has existed for a long time before tablets, so there is no excuse for a device not being able to access it.
That the manufacturers can't do simple things like text-reflowing is a pretty good example of how tablets are broken by default.
You're not using your tablet on this site because the designers produced something sub-standard and not fit for purpose.
You may also notice that your tablet does a pretty cruddy job of multi-tasking and that typing is a PITA...
Tablets are fine for reading cut-down web pages on the toilet but for anything more they suck.

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Old 03-19-2013, 07:41 AM   #21
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Rubbish!
The web has existed for a long time before tablets, so there is no excuse for a device not being able to access it.
That the manufacturers can't do simple things like text-reflowing is a pretty good example of how tablets are broken by default.
You're not using your tablet on this site because the designers produced something sub-standard and not fit for purpose.
You may also notice that your tablet does a pretty cruddy job of multi-tasking and that typing is a PITA...
Tablets are fine for reading cut-down web pages on the toilet but for anything more they suck.
I would like to bookmark your post and read it in two years time just to have a laugh.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 07:47 AM   #22
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I would like to bookmark your post and read it in two years time just to have a laugh.
My Windows phones used to display the proper web, as does my old E71. Seems modern designers can't produce a product that can't access something that pre-dates them. I'd say that's laughable. If they don't solve the problem with their sub-standard browsers then we'll all suffer and that is not funny that is very sad.

So, do you produce 100 page documents on your tablet?
Do you play FPSs?
Do you have a full development environment?
Can you plug in a scanner?
Can you work on it 8 hours a day without getting back/arm strain?
Can you show three applications simultaneously so as to monitor, compare and move data between them?
If not then exactly how do you expect a tablet to replace a general-purpose PC?
 
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:25 AM   #23
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Rubbish!
The web has existed for a long time before tablets, so there is no excuse for a device not being able to access it.
That the manufacturers can't do simple things like text-reflowing is a pretty good example of how tablets are broken by default.
You're not using your tablet on this site because the designers produced something sub-standard and not fit for purpose.
You may also notice that your tablet does a pretty cruddy job of multi-tasking and that typing is a PITA...
Tablets are fine for reading cut-down web pages on the toilet but for anything more they suck.
To be honest, it is not down to a device manufacturers to make sure a website displays correctly. It is for mostly down browser developers to follow the standards, as well as a website designers to make sure the website renders correctly in different browsers and on different displays (small monitors, large wide screen monitors, mobile phones, tablets, etc). With the introduction of mobile devices, web developers' jobs have become more difficult due dipsplay sizes varying across devices.

As you can see, not only are tablets useless but they are also the root of all (web design) evil


Edit: all typos are a result if me typing itfrom my phone.

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Old 03-19-2013, 09:37 AM   #24
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I woukd argue that since websites like LQ work perfectly well in Opera, Firefox, Chrome and other browsers as well as under older windows devices it is up to the device developer to render the content properly. Properly formatted standards-compliant web pages do not always render correctly on tablets.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 10:12 AM   #25
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Tablets are not a trend. Mobile devices are not a trend. They are a reality. Computing has changed. Just closing your eyes and pretend it will go away doesn't solve the problem.
Agreed. These two devices are not going to go away, but will continue to improve. However, your claim that most people will not be using PCs in five years does not make sense at all. The PC Gaming industry is a multi-billion dollar enterprise which helps to fuel the desire for more and more powerful processors, graphics cards, and insane amounts of RAM. You cannot get the full experience of gaming on a tablet or phone (frame rates, etc.). I'm not a gamer, but I recognize the power of the gaming industry. Gaming isn't going anywhere.
 
Old 03-19-2013, 01:30 PM   #26
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Eventually Pat will decide what to do, but if steps are not taken now, in 5-10 years Slackware will be 'de facto' obsolete.
Slackware has been delegated as obsolete by other Linux users since the last decade and yet it still manages to go strong. If you want to experiment with the ARM platform, there is a port available for it.

http://arm.slackware.com/

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I don't see the PC/laptops position any strong. Laptop sales are falling sharply.
Desktop and laptop sales are falling because you don't need to buy a $1000 or even a $500 to run basic office apps. Throw in gaming consoles as another factor.
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Asus and Acer won't manufacture any new netbooks.
The decline of the netbook has been caused by many factors besides tablets. I'd say a big problem was that the netbooks were coupled with a small screen, small keyboard, and an underpowered processor. Combine that with low profit margins and it's understandable that manufacturers weren't too attached to them. Instead, that category has been replaced by Ultrabooks.
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You might not like Ubuntu but hardware-wise they've taken the right steps. Having ported their platform to all new devices means that now they are the only viable alternative to Android and Ios on the ARM platform.
So Shuttleworth says. But what he says and how it executes are two different things. Besides, Debian has had an ARM port since 2000. Much of the work was already done by the Debian devs when Ubuntu ported their architecture.

Yes, there are more tablets and phones floating around, but let me ask you this, has anyone replaced their desktop/laptop with a tablet? If you're doing anything outside of e-mail and web browsing, then generally a PC is more useful.
 
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Ottavio makes a good point. The PC may have a future as a platform in game consoles, but that is not general purpose computing. You may even not be able to install Slackware on these things, because their boot-loaders are locked and cryptographically tied to their pre-installed OS. Of course you may still be able to buy PC-compatible rack servers (for RHEL), but you can't carry them around like a notebook or netbook.

Remember the guys with their superior Alpha, SPARC and SGI workstations running Linux on them? People with a PC under or on the desk may just look like that in 2020. Because it is not about the superiority, it's about the mass market, that makes affordable hardware possible. If you didn't notice: The classic BIOS-based IBM-compatible PC is already dead. And for the future of netbooks just look at the Chromebooks. Do they run Slackware? How easy is it to install it there? Will it work on future models?

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Old 03-19-2013, 02:46 PM   #28
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On top of the ARM port, do you think that Slackware deserve an official/unofficial team to port to any mobile platforms, in particular I think replacing the desktop with am Android style launcher.
*shrug*. Feel free to start this project. If you're saying that *someone else* should do all the work, then no, your "idea" is not worth entertaining.

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Yes, there are more tablets and phones floating around, but let me ask you this, has anyone replaced their desktop/laptop with a tablet?
No. Of course not. The reason is that tablets are sold as devices to be owned with desktops and laptops, and not instead of them. I don't know where this ridiculous THE COMPUTER MARKET WILL BE KILLED BY TABLETS WITHIN 2-5 YEARS fantasy is coming from, but it's certainly not from the tablet manufacturers (or tablet OS vendors) themselves.

BTW, why did LQ suddenly get two incredibly trollish threads about this? Here's the other one:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ld-4175452177/

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Old 03-19-2013, 04:10 PM   #29
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I woukd argue that since websites like LQ work perfectly well in Opera, Firefox, Chrome and other browsers as well as under older windows devices it is up to the device developer to render the content properly. Properly formatted standards-compliant web pages do not always render correctly on tablets.
AFAIK, device developers (with the exception of Apple) are involved in neither browser nor website development making them hardly capable of controlling how a web site is going to be rendered on their device. The only thing they can decide is what browser they are going to include and the size of the device display. The rest is, IMHO, beyond their control. I may be wrong but I don't think device developers work on writing patches for a browser they are going to use.

On a separate note, it's somewhat refreshing that someone predicts that Slackware is going to be dead/obsolete in 5 years' time. Last time I checked a certain blogger labeled Slackware as already dead I can see some progress...

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Old 03-19-2013, 04:19 PM   #30
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Then why does a page look different in Chrome on my EEE PC to how it looks on my iPad? How come it is perfectly possible to zoom into a page using any browser on a PC and get properly reflowed text but try the same on a tablet (well, my iPad at least) and the page becomes larger than the screen?
I think you'll find that pages look a little different in links also if we're going to go that far. On many pages it is up to the reader to interpret a web page as they see fit -- it is only in some modern websites that people think absolute layout is the done thing and those sites tend to look ugly in any browser.
 
  


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