Yeah, I probably should make more of an effort learning to use gdb. But platform-to-platform debugger differences are probably the only thing worse for me than editor differences -- and you already know how reluctant I am to deal with that<grin>. Most of my open source stuff tends to be as platform-agnostic as possible anyway, just ansi standard C. So embedded debug statements, that are default off but can be turned on with a command-line switch (or ?query_string attribute, etc, as appropriate), usually work better for me. I can quickly see all the same stuff regardless of platform, and it's way easier to tell complaining users to just run the program with an extra switch and email me all the output.