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WiseDraco 04-23-2013 03:42 AM

XFCE rules!!! only prob with yaWP...
 
Hello!
Some time ago i "open for me" XFCE window manager -it is be easy, small resources consumption - and a giant plus - it have all KDE apps on it!
Firs time i set it on wifes eeepc 1000 netbook ( atom 1.6, 2Gb, 10"), after a wifes howling about "it is soo slow, after you change OS from slackware 12.2 with KDE 3.5 to 14.0 with KDE 4.3" - and really, KDE eats a lot of resources. i experiment with window managers, and switch it to XFCE, and be impressed. after some time i make reinstall on my old netbook too - eeepc 900, celeron 900 mhz, 1 Gb RAM - there i have slackware 13.1 with kde 4.x, and no xfce option. reinstall it with slack 14.0 x32, and set up xfce, and be happy - after start ir eats only ~120 - 150 Mb RAM, and looks significantly faster, than KDE.

Only my problem is yaWP - very good weather prediction applet for KDE.
i want it on XFCE. maybe anyone know, what to do that?

D1ver 04-23-2013 08:20 AM

I don't think you can run a kde plasmoid outside of kde.

You could set up something like conky to provide weather predictions on your XFCE desktop though. There's a fair bit of info out there for conky setups.

cwizardone 04-23-2013 09:07 AM

There is a weather plug-in for Xfce including in the standard installation of Slackware 14 IMHO,it is better than the KDE weather LCD (easier to see) and far more accurate, at least for my part of the world.

WiseDraco 04-23-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwizardone (Post 4937176)
There is a weather plug-in for Xfce including in the standard installation of Slackware 14 IMHO,it is better than the KDE weather LCD (easier to see) and far more accurate, at least for my part of the world.

yes, i see it, but it have a problem with finding your place ( he finds endless and not find anything), and anyway yaWP is far better, imho :)

kite 04-23-2013 11:46 AM

Yes, XFCE rules. It should be the default desktop for all linux distributions.

JWJones 04-23-2013 01:26 PM

Weather plugin - Xfce
 
Here's an example of the weather plugin in use, both on the top panel, and as a stand-alone panel on it's own, like a desktop applet:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...8/#post4918469

JWJones 04-23-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kite (Post 4937298)
Yes, XFCE rules. It should be the default desktop for all linux distributions.

I've really come to this conclusion, too. I used to be a Gnome 2 fan, but Gnome has gone to hell. I like KDE, but it's just too damn much. LXDE is very nice, but not as much as Xfce. Xfce is the perfect mix of aesthetics, configurability, speed, and modularity.

ReaperX7 04-23-2013 06:52 PM

XFCE is a general usage multifunctional designed desktop which oddly has roots in CDE. It can be customized and modified to be a full GNOME, KDE, or CDE replacement, and can even be further modified to resemble Windows Desktop to help with user transition and familiarization into the Linux environment.

That's why it's sooooooo nice.

Slackovado 04-23-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kite (Post 4937298)
Yes, XFCE rules. It should be the default desktop for all linux distributions.

I will have to respectfully disagree.
XFCE is ok but it's far from even good by my rather modest criteria.
I could list an endless list of things that are wrong with XFCE.
Even basic features like dragging an icon from Applications Menu to the desktop is missing.
And it's dependencies on many Gnome components are another huge minus.
I use it, have been since KDE 3.x has been replaced by the dreadful KDE 4.x.
But the only reason I use it is because it's the "least evil" out of the 3 desktop environments.
However when I have a bit of time I'll give that fork of KDE 3.X a try as I'm really getting fed up with XFCE and also it's slow development.

ReaperX7 04-23-2013 09:29 PM

Dependencies on KDE-Libs and Gnome-libs are becoming more commonplace even with LXDE and XFCE, and even other general usage desktop environments.

Argue this point all you want as being bad, but these libraries like gnome-libs, and not the actual parent project of Gnome, are being used not only by XFCE but other software packages for various functionality purposes like printing, overlays, drawing methods, icon placement, and even networking in some cases.

The old term of "necessary evil" comes to mind. However, within Linux there are many necessary evils, namely a big one.

SystemD is a prime example of unwanted evil. Need we dig that topic back up, I think not, but we still require part of it, uDev, as a necessary evil for Linux to be functional.

By comparison, XFCE using gnome-libs and LXDE using kde-libs is far from the fore-mentioned level of evil.

Slackovado 04-24-2013 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaperX7 (Post 4937625)
Dependencies on KDE-Libs and Gnome-libs are becoming more commonplace even with LXDE and XFCE, and even other general usage desktop environments.

Argue this point all you want as being bad, but these libraries like gnome-libs, and not the actual parent project of Gnome, are being used not only by XFCE but other software packages for various functionality purposes like printing, overlays, drawing methods, icon placement, and even networking in some cases.

The old term of "necessary evil" comes to mind. However, within Linux there are many necessary evils, namely a big one.

SystemD is a prime example of unwanted evil. Need we dig that topic back up, I think not, but we still require part of it, uDev, as a necessary evil for Linux to be functional.

By comparison, XFCE using gnome-libs and LXDE using kde-libs is far from the fore-mentioned level of evil.

No we don't require Udev!
Saying it's required is just plain wrong.
Linux was just fine before Udev.
I would even argue that it was a far more reliable and stable system than it is now.
I first tried Linux around 1993 and still have the CD set of Slackware 3.3
And I started using it full-time since around 1998 (Mandrake and then couple years later Slackware and ever since) and once set up it was far more stable than it is now.
The DE developers nowadays are simply destroying Linux. They are driving away power users and not really attracting any Windows converts.
Nowadays I've adopted a strict policy of not using any DE dependent applications.
And I've been jumping to Windows 7 more and more, especially for video editing and multimedia stuff as Linux has almost nothing to offer there.
I used have Slackware on my laptop but now I don't bother and it's Windows 7.
It's a sad state Linux is in these days, and Slackware is becoming a victim of it all too.
Sorry about the rant.

kikinovak 04-24-2013 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackovado (Post 4937571)
I could list an endless list of things that are wrong with XFCE.
Even basic features like dragging an icon from Applications Menu to the desktop is missing.
And it's dependencies on many Gnome components are another huge minus.

Here's how you can drag an icon from the applications menu to the panel launcher. This is a video I actually made on my own desktop, running Slackware64 14.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pao006MDyug

Normally, Xfce doesn't have any GNOME dependencies. I only beef it up with a few extra applications that really only need a handful of GNOME libs.

My Slackware+Xfce based MLED (Microlinux Enterprise Desktop) is currently being overhauled and migrated to Github. Should be ready in a few days. Here's a link to the work in progress (don't use it yet, things might not work).

https://github.com/kikinovak/desktop

Cheers,

Niki

Slackovado 04-24-2013 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikinovak (Post 4937793)
Here's how you can drag an icon from the applications menu to the panel launcher. This is a video I actually made on my own desktop, running Slackware64 14.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pao006MDyug

Normally, Xfce doesn't have any GNOME dependencies. I only beef it up with a few extra applications that really only need a handful of GNOME libs.

My Slackware+Xfce based MLED (Microlinux Enterprise Desktop) is currently being overhauled and migrated to Github. Should be ready in a few days. Here's a link to the work in progress (don't use it yet, things might not work).

https://github.com/kikinovak/desktop

Cheers,

Niki

Ok, thanks.
But I don't have any panel launcher.
And I meant drag from the Applications Menu to the Desktop area like I could do it in KDE 3.X.

kikinovak 04-24-2013 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slackovado (Post 4937801)
Ok, thanks.
But I don't have any panel launcher.
And I meant drag from the Applications Menu to the Desktop area like I could do it in KDE 3.X.

If you have Xfce installed, then you do have a panel. Or two. Or as many as you want. Just poke around a bit.

My own launcher is a stock Xfce launcher that uses transparency. There's no AWN or Docky or some other third-party launcher involved.

I just tried simply dragging an application from the Applications menu to the desktop, and it works without problems.

tuxbg 04-24-2013 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikinovak (Post 4937793)
Here's how you can drag an icon from the applications menu to the panel launcher. This is a video I actually made on my own desktop, running Slackware64 14.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pao006MDyug

Normally, Xfce doesn't have any GNOME dependencies. I only beef it up with a few extra applications that really only need a handful of GNOME libs.

My Slackware+Xfce based MLED (Microlinux Enterprise Desktop) is currently being overhauled and migrated to Github. Should be ready in a few days. Here's a link to the work in progress (don't use it yet, things might not work).

https://github.com/kikinovak/desktop

Cheers,

Niki

Hello Niki :)
If you want your icon text background to be transparent put this code into ~/.gtkrc-2.0
Code:

style "xfdesktop-icon-view" {
XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0
}
widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view"



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