Xfce 4.10

bobzilla · 06-06-2012, 10:59 AM

NetworkManager is already in current.

cwizardone · 06-06-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bobzilla

NetworkManager is already in current.

Yes, for KDE, but it will not run in Xfce without the appropriate (same version) nm-applet and the aforementioned gnome dependencies.

bobzilla · 06-09-2012, 11:20 AM

I'm not using NM suite with Xfce, so I wouldn't know. Which dependencies exactly?

I haven't looked into SlackBuild for NM. What options in specific could be KDE specific?

bobzilla · 06-09-2012, 12:20 PM

I don't see anything KDE specific in the SlackBuild from current:

Code:

./configure \
  --prefix=/usr \
  --libdir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} \
  --sysconfdir=/etc \
  --localstatedir=/var \
  --mandir=/usr/man \
  --docdir=/usr/doc/$PKGNAM-$VERSION \
  --with-pppd-plugin-dir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/pppd/$PPPD \
  --with-crypto=gnutls \
  --without-resolvconf \
  --with-dhcpcd=/sbin/dhcpcd \
  --with-dhclient=yes \
  --build=$TARGET

Configure options are pretty generic.

bobzilla · 06-09-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cwizardone

nm-applet and the aforementioned gnome dependencies.

gnome-keyring - which is already a dependency of some of the (optional) parts of Xfce 4.10 and gnome-bluetooth, which is itself optional. So nothing terrible.

bobzilla · 06-09-2012, 12:39 PM

Actually, you can build Xfce 4.10 with no Gnome-like dependencies at all, just some features won't work (automount, network support in Thunar, etc). This would make sense, ie: on a Linux 2.4 based system which anyways doesn't have an Udev implementation. It uses hotplug. Well, you would likely use Xfce 4.6 on 2.4. It has smaller resource requirements (tested on Slack 10.2 with updated gtk+ 2.x).

cwizardone · 06-09-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bobzilla

I'm not using NM suite with Xfce, so I wouldn't know. Which dependencies exactly?...

Besides the correct networkmanager-applet, you would need, GConf, ORBIT2, gnome-keyring, libgnome-keyring and might was well throw in glib-networking.

The following are now included in Slackware-current, sg3_utils, udisks, upower and libatasmart.

cwizardone · 06-09-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bobzilla

gnome-keyring - which is already a dependency of some of the (optional) parts of Xfce 4.10 and gnome-bluetooth, which is itself optional. So nothing terrible.

Xfce 4.10 runs fine without gnome-keyring. You don't need it unless you want to run NetworkManager and possible something else that seeks to store a password. You do not need gnome-keyring to run wicd.

bobzilla · 06-09-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cwizardone

Xfce 4.10 runs fine without gnome-keyring. You don't need it unless you want to run NetworkManager and possible something else that seeks to store a password. You do not need gnome-keyring to run wicd.

It's also an optional dependency for gvfs. Ie. If built with Gnome-keyring you get password management possibilites in thunar-volman. Ie, when accessing smb and nfs shares. Or during sftp access.

GConf and ORBit2 are, btw, in /extra (Google Chrome is needing it).

ReaperX7 · 06-09-2012, 02:30 PM

Actually... Network Manager Applet requires ONLY the following from SlackBuilds.org:

gnome-keyring
libgnome-keyring
libtasn1

GConf and ORBit2 are provided by Slackware already. That's it and nothing else. glib-networking is ONLY used by GNOME, not Xfce.

cwizardone · 06-09-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

Actually... Network Manager Applet requires ONLY the following from SlackBuilds.org:

gnome-keyring
libgnome-keyring
libtasn1

GConf and ORBit2 are provided by Slackware already. That's it and nothing else. glib-networking is ONLY used by GNOME, not Xfce.

Well, No, they are not part of the standard installation of Slackware. They are provided in /extra/google-chrome/ as dependencies for the google-chrome browser.
You cannot run NetworkManager in Xfce 4.6.2, 4.8.x or 4.10, as the NetworkManager exist today, without
the networkmanager-applet and the dependencies I listed above. And, yes, you don't need glib-networking, but if you are going to go that far, why not.

(It was also on Mr. Workman's list as a dependency for Xfce 4.8)

SqdnGuns · 06-20-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ralvex

I'm making a complementary repository for Salixos and Slackware (with dependencie's management via "slapt-get") to simplify Xfce-4.10's installation.

http://download.tuxfamily.org/salixbang/depot/ (ready NOW!!! for testing Google+ page)

I have been using your packages on a fresh install of Slackware64-13.37 with Robbie's dependencies from Xfce4.8 minus KDE set and all is well!! I had one issue with mounting the external HDD's and thumb drives but was able to fix that by using a backup .xinitrc I had.

Hopefully we will see Xfce 4.10 in the next Slackware release, it is pretty slick and leaves a small footprint.

Thanks for providing the packages!

BTW, I did not use slapt-get.

cwizardone · 06-20-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SqdnGuns

...Hopefully we will see Xfce 4.10 in the next Slackware release, it is pretty slick and leaves a small footprint...

Yes, it is pretty slick.

Thanks, again, Ralvex!

The .xinitrc file for Xfce 4.10 still gives me some problems, as outlined earlier in this thread, but I've gotten around it and everything else works very well. I'm now at the point of considering removing KDE from the system, but there are still one or two KDE apps I prefer to anything else available (that I've seen to date).

(BTW, saw your thread on NetworkManager and for what its worth, my experience with wicd in Xfce is just the opposite of yours.)

SqdnGuns · 06-20-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cwizardone

(BTW, saw your thread on NetworkManager and for what its worth, my experience with wicd in Xfce is just the opposite of yours.)

That's a bit odd

SqdnGuns · 06-20-2012, 04:56 PM

Forgot to mention this......

I do have some odd behavior with Thunar. When I log into a new X session, the first time I open Thunar it takes 15 - 20 seconds for it to open. When It does open, almost immediately a second Thunar window will open. Anyone else experience this?