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Old 05-29-2012, 07:06 PM   #436
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If there is a problem at all with Slackware, it's not ours to solve, my friend. None of us here own, control, or pay-to-use Slackware Linux. A few here have close ties to the project, but ultimate control over what may or may not be a problem falls to one man... Pat V. Until he decides to provide an explanation for whatever may or may not be ailing Slackware, nothing definitive will be known by any of us.

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~Eric
So you're saying that because the problem can't be solved, it should be considered solved?

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FFS, it has been covered that it is a hardware issue. RTFT
I don't know what that stands for, but the reason why I'm here is because when I entered "Slackware website is down", this is this where Google sent me. Right now, I'm installing Slackware on all three of my machines. I'm on board. But a hardware problem is not a good excuse for this. If they can't host the site, they should get someone else to do it, or at least provide a link. Letting dead air go on for a couple of months is unprofessional. Patrick doesn't owe me anything, but I don't owe him my silence when he's dropping the ball. The health and future of Slackware is in the balance. If this persists, perhpas the community should consider an unofficial site.

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Old 05-29-2012, 08:06 PM   #437
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I don't know what that stands for, but the reason why I'm here is because when I entered "Slackware website is down", this is this where Google sent me. Right now, I'm installing Slackware on all three of my machines. I'm on board. But a hardware problem is not a good excuse for this. If they can't host the site, they should get someone else to do it, or at least provide a link. Letting dead air go on for a couple of months is unprofessional. Patrick doesn't owe me anything, but I don't owe him my silence when he's dropping the ball. The health and future of Slackware is in the balance. If this persists, perhpas the community should consider an unofficial site.
May be you should have read through this thread before complaining. The hardware is basically dead, it was a last century computer. The team wants to move the site to a newer server, but it has to be ported to a new version of PHP first. And no, the health and future is not in the balance, it is just that there are currently major changes in the development version of Slackware and the team has decided that to work there is currently more important than to port the website. Other members here already have contacted Pat and offered help with that, but I don't know if someone is working at it right now. All this information is also available in the posts in this thread if you actually decide to read them.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 08:08 PM   #438
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We're not dead, but an old server is. (Score:5, Informative)
by volkerdi (9854) on Friday April 27, @09:16PM (#39828905)



Good hello folks! It's wonderful to see we've made it onto Slashdot in-between releases again!

However, our website hardware is nearly toast, and is also co-located a long way away from where I live. It is an ancient VIA based system with a Celeron and 512MB of RAM. It also sports a Maxtor hard drive connected to a Promise Technology PCI IDE card, and LILO boots from a 3.5" floppy drive. Frankly, this wasn't really great hardware even when it was brand new, but it ran our site and mailing lists with excellent uptimes for over a decade in spite of that. It looks like the trouble could be a flaking Tulip based Ethernet card (getting DUP and dropped packets, and RX/TX errors). It was doing OK again after a reboot, but I'm having some trouble reaching it again for some reason.

We're looking for a new place to put the main site. Perhaps it could move to our other server, connie.slackware.com (in which case we need a PHP guru to port it to the latest version). There are other Slackware related servers that might be able to host us as well. To be honest, connie is also getting a little long in the tooth (that's a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM).

RIP bob.slackware.com, and long live Slackware!
If the only problem is an old PHP version, this coud be solved, if an old PHP version compiles on recent Debian distributions.

I have a decent VPS, 2x2,4GHZ,8GB RAM,250GB HDD - it should handle the site easily. Every website on there is secured with suexec and PHP is called with a startup script where I can define a specific version, config etc.

So if its possible to get an old PHP version on Debian 6, I would be glad to provide you with space and power.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 08:10 PM   #439
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The problem is that the site was written for very old versions of software (apache, PHP, etc.) (the hardware was ancient and the software was obviously not kept current -- security patches may or may not have been applied, but certainly software versions were far, far behind). The site has to at least be adapted or probably rewritten to get working on *any* new server. Therein lies the real problem as far as I can tell, and that is what takes some time (especially because Pat presumably is not an expert at website creation, plus likely has limited time with the actual work of developing Slackware). It is not a matter of simply copying files to a new host, and while it is taking longer than it perhaps should, you should at least understand the problem even if you don't agree with the work being done to solve it. I do agree that having a non-existent website for an internet-based business is not a good thing, and I do hope some iteration of the Slackware site will get up and running in the near future, but I at least understand the issues behind it.

Of course, this is all inference so take it with a grain of salt.

[edit]I should probably refresh the page before writing a reply.[/edit]

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Old 05-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #440
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I am glad to know that the development is continuing at a brisk pace, and not at all worried about the website: I never use it anymore. But would it be too hard to put up a static page with an explanation and an abridged list of mirrors (and magnet links) where Slackware can be downloaded? What do you think it looks like to people who just decided to give Slackware a try? We can't assume they know about these forums, and when they search for "Slackware" they get a huge middle finger. And even when they stumble upon this forum, they still need to get lucky to see this thread, which is not even a sticky. Does it have a solution buried somewhere inside? I don't know. And they probably won't bother to find out.

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Old 05-29-2012, 08:33 PM   #441
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So you're saying that because the problem can't be solved, it should be considered solved?
I started this thread. I was asking for information on why the site was down. I received that information from Eric Hameleers. I'm satisfied. I cannot solve Slackware's issues, but as far as my initial query on this thread, I feel it was answered (solved).

That's what I'm saying.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 08:54 PM   #442
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May be you should have read through this thread before complaining. The hardware is basically dead, it was a last century computer. The team wants to move the site to a newer server, but it has to be ported to a new version of PHP first. And no, the health and future is not in the balance, it is just that there are currently major changes in the development version of Slackware and the team has decided that to work there is currently more important than to port the website. Other members here already have contacted Pat and offered help with that, but I don't know if someone is working at it right now. All this information is also available in the posts in this thread if you actually decide to read them.

I'm not interested in reading thirty pages of reasons why someone couldn't figure out a way to post a few links to some information and resources, or just a "Pardon our appearance" slide, or a link to a freaking blogspot page.

People are speculating that Slackware is dead, and yes, that's ridiculous, but that's what happens when there's a prolonged silence like this. This is damaging to the brand, and it's not necessary. I don't really feel like I'm complaining; it's not my brand. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

The simple solution would be a link to this forum. I was poised to install Slackware a week and a half ago, and I couldn't find the information I needed until Google brought me here.

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I started this thread. I was asking for information on why the site was down. I received that information from Eric Hameleers. I'm satisfied. I cannot solve Slackware's issues, but as far as my initial query on this thread, I feel it was answered (solved).

That's what I'm saying.
Oh. Well, I agree then.

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Old 05-29-2012, 08:54 PM   #443
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Hey SqdnGuns... like your new blog. You've been bookmarked. Looking forward to some more good stuff.
Thanks, it's not much but I will try to make at least a few entries a week. The pain killers I am on make me say some things that I'd rather not so I have to wait until I have a clear head.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 09:00 PM   #444
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So you're saying that because the problem can't be solved, it should be considered solved?



I don't know what that stands for, but the reason why I'm here is because when I entered "Slackware website is down", this is this where Google sent me. Right now, I'm installing Slackware on all three of my machines. I'm on board. But a hardware problem is not a good excuse for this. If they can't host the site, they should get someone else to do it, or at least provide a link. Letting dead air go on for a couple of months is unprofessional. Patrick doesn't owe me anything, but I don't owe him my silence when he's dropping the ball. The health and future of Slackware is in the balance. If this persists, perhaps the community should consider an unofficial site.
I'll help you out with that.

FFS = For F*ks Sake

RTFT = Read the F*cking Thread

Maybe you should check out the Urban Dictionary, it's on the Interwebs.

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Old 05-29-2012, 10:54 PM   #445
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I'll help you out with that.
Great. Here's the question: Is there currently no blog out there that expressly explains what's going on with the Slackware site and provides links to all the usual Slackware resources, especially download mirrors? If not, I'll post something on word press or something. I'm still setting up my Slackware install #2 (when I first posted in this thread, I was in Debian, aptosid actually) I'll do an extensive google search when I get caught up.

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FFS = For F*ks Sake

RTFT = Read the F*cking Thread

Maybe you should check out the Urban Dictionary, it's on the Interwebs.
FTUD. Why am I supposed to look up your acronyms?

God, that's typical. FOSS public relations are all about holding the public responsible for getting your message. Slackware.com is down for a month and a half, and it's my fault that I don't know what's going on because I didn't read the 30 page thread. KDE devbelopers still complain about how they informed the public that KDE 4.0 wasn't ready for the general user, but they posted that information in dot.kde.org, the news site, a place where general users had never heard of. At least, I hadnt. I went to KDE.org, which was all about promoting the awesome new DE. But KDE developers are still butthurt and probably destined to repeat the KDE 4.0 debacle, because they never ask: HOW DID WE SCREW UP? WHAT COULD WE DO BETTER? Dr. Phil would ask: "And how's that workin' for ya?"

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Old 05-29-2012, 11:29 PM   #446
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Dudes, chill out man. The site isn't going online if you virtually kick your butts across the earth into another timezone.
 
Old 05-29-2012, 11:36 PM   #447
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Dudes, chill out man. The site isn't going online if you virtually kick your butts across the earth into another timezone.
I don't think we're actually arguing that much. I agreed with him about the thread being solved, and he offered to help me. We're basically on the same side.
 
Old 05-30-2012, 12:52 AM   #448
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And I thought this holy thread had been buried in the sands of time...alas!
 
Old 05-30-2012, 03:44 AM   #449
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s there currently no blog out there that expressly explains what's going on with the Slackware site and provides links to all the usual Slackware resources, especially download mirrors?
It appears that you missed the sticky thread at the top of this forum. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-users-943088/
 
Old 05-31-2012, 01:09 AM   #450
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No matter which way we argue, Slackware is alive and will remain so until is it no longer is. Simple.

-JJ
 
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