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Old 04-18-2012, 11:37 AM   #166
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Hmm. It appears http://slackwiki.org also needs some love.

@ruario - The Australian mirror at mirror.pacific.net.au has been dead for some time. A better choice is http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/slackware/
 
Old 04-18-2012, 11:44 AM   #167
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http://slackwiki.com
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:51 AM   #168
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Ahh! Much better! Thanks ponce.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 12:33 PM   #169
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Hey Pat V.,

If you're lurking around and happen upon this thread, two things:

1. if the few bucks that dropped in the tip jar as a result of all this help you out a bit, YAY!

and

2. I'm sorry for lighting the match that ignited the shit storm here and elsewhere.

Regards,

~Eric
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #170
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I was not going to respond to this thread. Guys, the subject that Slackware.com is down is not that important as far as getting information. Sure, it would be nice to have a site that is reliable. Slackware was without a site in the past and still survived.
I notice that you talk like this is a simple inconvenience, and that it doesn't matter. Yet here we are, on page 12, discussing what is up with the state of Slackware.

Everyone on LQ knows that slackware isn't going to die. But the important thing is the signal effect this has. Not for us, the "hardcore userbase", but for everyone else. That's why this matters so much to me. My local kebab house got a website for crying out load, and here Slackware Linux suddenly don't?

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Yes, we are aware of the problems with www.slackware.com.
Yes, it will come back up eventually.

When?
when it is ready!
Really? Are you guys even serious? I'm volunteering in hosting websites for small organizations. I've been woken up in the middle of the night because a website with like 100 visitors daily wasn't working. If we've got downtime, planned or not, we inform our customers.

It's 2012, one simply don't not have a website. People don't make a call or go to a local store to grab a catalog to check something out. You go to their website. This is especially so when it comes to software.

The point is that information is crucial. In 2012 if you are serious in what you are doing, you have a website. And if that website is to fail for one reason or another, you put up a 503 or whatever the code is. And when things get real bad, you inform people. Else you get this, what we have here, speculations.

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Caitlyn, your comments about Slackware and pretty much everything you say is completely off-base. It reminds me of bad local new reporter who tries to break a story on one sentence of information obtained from a stranger on the street corner.
Newsflash! It's how society works! And when there is no official information opposing this, guess what. Shit hits the fan. And no, Eric and Robbys responses on a forum doesn't count. (Though I thank them for their contribution to this thread).

Slackware won't die, but certainly it's reputation will suffer. And that is my not very humble opinion

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Old 04-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #171
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Hmm. It appears http://slackwiki.org also needs some love.
It became .com only a while back:

http://slackwiki.com/

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@ruario - The Australian mirror at mirror.pacific.net.au has been dead for some time. A better choice is http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/slackware/
Yeah, that is just the list included within slackpkg. Similarly I don't use the Norwegian mirror listed but rather: http://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/slackware/

If it is dead you might want to contact PiterPunk, since he maintains slackpkg so it is his list really.

Last edited by ruario; 04-18-2012 at 01:14 PM. Reason: Added the comment about it being PiterPunk's list
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:04 PM   #172
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I'm volunteering in hosting websites for small organizations.
I don't know about anyone else, but my first thought when I read this was: "have you considered contacting Pat and offering him hosting?"
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:25 PM   #173
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Well, yes I have. But we get our internet connection from the university and we aren't allowed to host commercial websites. So to do this I would have to send in an application, and that will probably take several days to process. :/
 
Old 04-18-2012, 01:36 PM   #174
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I notice that you talk like this is a simple inconvenience, and that it doesn't matter. Yet here we are, on page 12, discussing what is up with the state of Slackware.

Everyone on LQ knows that slackware isn't going to die. But the important thing is the signal effect this has. Not for us, the "hardcore userbase", but for everyone else. That's why this matters so much to me. My local kebab house got a website for crying out load, and here Slackware Linux suddenly don't?



Really? Are you guys even serious? I'm volunteering in hosting websites for small organizations. I've been woken up in the middle of the night because a website with like 100 visitors daily wasn't working. If we've got downtime, planned or not, we inform our customers.

It's 2012, one simply don't not have a website. People don't make a call or go to a local store to grab a catalog to check something out. You go to their website. This is especially so when it comes to software.

The point is that information is crucial. In 2012 if you are serious in what you are doing, you have a website. And if that website is to fail for one reason or another, you put up a 503 or whatever the code is. And when things get real bad, you inform people. Else you get this, what we have here, speculations.



Newsflash! It's how society works! And when there is no official information opposing this, guess what. Shit hits the fan. And no, Eric and Robbys responses on a forum doesn't count. (Though I thank them for their contribution to this thread).

Slackware won't die, but certainly it's reputation will suffer. And that is my not very humble opinion
I agree with all of that. If the site goes down, we must be informed about it, else you get threads like this and people start panicking and it hurts Slackware's reputation. Something must change about this to improve its reputation and prevent future incidents.

There is one problem tho ... communication with Pat V and the devs is difficult. It is hard to implement something like this when communication is not efficient.

slackwiki.com looks good, I didn't know that the address changed, and nobody posted about it (or at least I didn't see it). I think it could serve as a starting point for a new official slackware site. Just change the front page to something more appealing, put a clear description of slackware and links to the important stuff, and then things will improve from there.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 01:42 PM   #175
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Caitlyn, your comments about Slackware and pretty much everything you say is completely off-base. It reminds me of bad local new reporter who tries to break a story on one sentence of information obtained from a stranger on the street corner. You attempt to formulate fifty conclusions from one forum statement and repost all your unconfirmed opinions as first hand information.
I predict that her "factual article" will include whining about how mean we were to give her feedback (like this) on her writing process and communication strategy. That's what she calls "personal attacks", you know.

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Old 04-18-2012, 01:42 PM   #176
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I notice that you talk like this is a simple inconvenience, and that it doesn't matter. Yet here we are, on page 12, discussing what is up with the state of Slackware.

Everyone on LQ knows that slackware isn't going to die. But the important thing is the signal effect this has. Not for us, the "hardcore userbase", but for everyone else. That's why this matters so much to me. My local kebab house got a website for crying out load, and here Slackware Linux suddenly don't?



Really? Are you guys even serious? I'm volunteering in hosting websites for small organizations. I've been woken up in the middle of the night because a website with like 100 visitors daily wasn't working. If we've got downtime, planned or not, we inform our customers.

It's 2012, one simply don't not have a website. People don't make a call or go to a local store to grab a catalog to check something out. You go to their website. This is especially so when it comes to software.

The point is that information is crucial. In 2012 if you are serious in what you are doing, you have a website. And if that website is to fail for one reason or another, you put up a 503 or whatever the code is. And when things get real bad, you inform people. Else you get this, what we have here, speculations.



Newsflash! It's how society works! And when there is no official information opposing this, guess what. Shit hits the fan. And no, Eric and Robbys responses on a forum doesn't count. (Though I thank them for their contribution to this thread).

Slackware won't die, but certainly it's reputation will suffer. And that is my not very humble opinion
Very well said, Dinithion!
The complete lack of basic common business sense over this last year has been very disheartening, to say the least.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:45 PM   #177
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This is all going to be pretty funny when Patrick pops in next week and has been on mountain vacation for three weeks and has no clue of this phantom "meltdown"... He'll probably just ./restart server and all will be well again. lol.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:45 PM   #178
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Very well said, Dinithion!
The complete lack of basic common business sense over this last year has been very disheartening, to say the least.
* Sigh. Agreed.

EDIT: Wait. Over the past *year*? What did I miss before this?

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Old 04-18-2012, 01:47 PM   #179
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...There is one problem tho ... communication with Pat V and the devs is difficult. It is hard to implement something like this when communication is not efficient...
Well... They all, including Mr. Volkerding, do read this message board and their e-mail addresses are available.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 02:13 PM   #180
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slackwiki.com looks good, I didn't know that the address changed, and nobody posted about it (or at least I didn't see it).
I don't think it was announced. It threw me when I first noticed following a comment in this thread near the end of last year.

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I think it could serve as a starting point for a new official slackware site.
Niels Horn told me around that time that slackwiki.org was registered to Erik Hanson, though I am not sure what happened. I presume Erik either deciding it wasn't needed or the registration simply lapsed. Either way it seems that slackwiki.com/.org are not "official". Sure, like SlackBuilds.org the wiki is important to the wider community but it isn't one of PatV's sites.

Edit: It seems that the registration lapsed once previously (roughly a year before), so it is reasonable to expect it might be the same thing this time. Though as I said, it is not an official site anyway. Also it seems to be run by the same groups of people who maintain SlackBuilds.org. If so they are doing it for free in their spare time. So no complaints from me. We only need one domain for slackwiki anyway.

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