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Old 04-18-2012, 03:18 AM   #151
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Not true. The servers are all hosted at a hosting company and that costs money for rack space and bandwidth.

Eric
The site doesn't need as much bandwidth as the ftp servers. Why not host it in house on a reasonably priced computer ? Maybe the hosting company is bad, I mean with all these outages. I know I've tried to host a site with many companies and nearly all of them had significant down time and the prices were high. I would say it would be more stable and economical to use an in house computer as a server, then you just pay for the domain name. It's just a suggestion, and may not be accurate considering I have very little info on the situation.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 04:02 AM   #152
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Not true. Slackware is a commercial business, and sales from the Store are Pat's only income. It also feeds other people who work at the store. The rest of the "core team" does not get money out of Slackware sales.

Not true. The servers are all hosted at a hosting company and that costs money for rack space and bandwidth.

Eric
You are right, I forgot to mention the store. I didn't know that was Pat's only source of income though. So slackware.com is being hosted by a hosting company? Does the hosting company have an ETA as to when they will be back up? I was saying that it doesn't cost much, as the website itself could probably be hosted on a shared hosting plan for quite cheap. I don't think that slackware.com requires something like a dedicated server or anything like that.

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Old 04-18-2012, 04:49 AM   #153
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Tell me something:

It looks to me as if the most obvious way for Pat to raise money is to do another Slackware release. That would result in subscriptions being charged, people buying the DVD upgrades, etc.

So:

If Slackware starts having funding issues, then wouldn't we expect releases to come more often, rather than less?
It seems suboptimal for me. I don't want another fast_release_cycle distribution out there, I much prefer to have a good distribution once a year that having a not-so-good distribution once each season. I would vote to raise the prices of the subscriptions, but that would make prices unacceptable, so it's not an option.

As for me, I have depleted my money for non essential uses of this month and the next, self-publishing a lot of books, so extraordinary financial support from me won't happen soon unless the Slackware Team itself states clearly that there is real trouble (or I sell a zillion books, becoming rich in the process). I already have my subscription, and I hope that it helps.

That said, when supporting non-profit organizations, I have always thought that it is better to contribute with something but money. I suppose an animal protector association needs more volunteers, equipment and supplies that actual money. Sad I have not equipment to share with Slackware.inc or knowledge to volunteer other than SlackBuilding simple software.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 07:14 AM   #154
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Not true. The servers are all hosted at a hosting company and that costs money for rack space and bandwidth.

Eric
Hmm.
Than it's better it's down. I've scratched my head before reading parts of the website, and wondered: Is this still accurate?

I have a quote from the website here, it's from the ' about ' section:

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Curious about the machine running this site, eh? Also fairly high on the importance scale (for this site, anyway) is the box itself. The machine is a Pentium III, 600 MHz, with 512 megabytes of RAM. It runs (of course) Slackware Linux, and does an efficient and reliable job even with moderately old hardware. The slackware.com site has been known to run for well over a year without a reboot.
Clickerty click

There where other sections that were out of date, like installation how-to's that explain how to setup your cd-rom drive when this isn't connected to an I/O controller card but on a Creative Labs 16 bit sound card, and other stuff from the previous millenium My guess is, only the changelogs where up-to-date and visited a lot. The rest wasn't up-to-date anyway.

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Old 04-18-2012, 07:38 AM   #155
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Hmm.
Than it's better it's down. I've scratched my head before reading parts of the website, and wondered: Is this still accurate?

I have a quote from the website here, it's from the ' about ' section:



Clickerty click

There where other sections that were out of date, like installation how-to's that explain how to setup your cd-rom drive when this isn't connected to an I/O controller card but on a Creative Labs 16 bit sound card, and other stuff from the previous millenium My guess is, only the changelogs where up-to-date and visited a lot. The rest wasn't up-to-date anyway.
That's strange, because if it were true, it could explain the outage. A machine that old is bound to break some time.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #156
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That's strange, because if it were true, it could explain the outage. A machine that old is bound to break some time.
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Q: Is it possible to install this operating system without a floppy drive?
From:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=nl


Being unfamiliar with slackware a few years ago (about 3 or 4 at most) I was ignorant enough to search the website for tips and tricks and the FAQ didn't help really.. I noticed no changes in the FAQ since then...
 
Old 04-18-2012, 08:36 AM   #157
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From:
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Being unfamiliar with slackware a few years ago (about 3 or 4 at most) I was ignorant enough to search the website for tips and tricks and the FAQ didn't help really.. I noticed no changes in the FAQ since then...
It's true, the site is not up-to-date. Maybe someone should be in the position to maintain it.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 09:18 AM   #158
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:27 AM   #159
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Hi,

I was not going to respond to this thread. Guys, the subject that Slackware.com is down is not that important as far as getting information. Sure, it would be nice to have a site that is reliable. Slackware was without a site in the past and still survived.

Everyone has access to the mirrors and the Changelog.txt is the same as it would be at Slackware.com. Just not as immediate. For new Slackware users or people that just do not realize;
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SlackwareŽ Mirrors:
Official List of Mirrors
AlphaGeek's Unofficial Mirror List <<<<<<< Great
LinuxQuestions.org > ISOs > SlackwareŽ
elektroni <-FTP
Oregon State <- FTP/HTTP + Open Source Lab + Hosting Policy + bandwidth of over 1 gigabit per second
AlienBase <- Alien_Bob's mirror + 'via http' + rsync://taper.alienbase.nl/mirrors/ + 'The physical server is on a gigabit Internet connection, so I guess I can offer a speedy mirror service! In fact, the mirrors are already complete. With a re-sync of several times a day, I hope to offer an up to date service.' Read the intro + Alien has always been unselfish when it comes to Slackware
The Linux Mirror Project <- Categories: Distributions, kernel & Applications
Pick a mirror and look at the Changelog.txt for the desired version or '-current'(http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/). Does the Slackware.com site need a revision or update? Sure! I remember the time everyone was up in arms for a Slackware Logo change that was to be made, what a stir.

Alien_Bob has provided enough information for anyone to realize that the problem is hardware. How 'PV' decides to correct the situation is his decision to make, not ours.

Speculations and worry warts just fuel people like 'Caitlyn' & the rumor mills(DW). Does not help the situation! Enough harm has been done that has not been rectified/corrected and if we continue to act/present information that is speculative then a unsettled state will continue. This will just fuel the fire thus doing more harm.

Look at how fear has driven the market lately. Stop stirring the pot!
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #160
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I'm always amazed by the lack of knowledge about Slackware from non-Slackware users.
They think it's outdated, retro, running only 486 etc... :^)

After ~10 years of usage, also working with other distros, i can say it's by far the best i've ever tried.
And i always proudly buy stuff from the store at every release.

I recently discovered it's even been ported to Open Pandora:
http://boards.openpandora.org/index....elease-thread/

And their wiki is neat, even still a wip:
http://pandorawiki.org/Software_projects/OS/Slackware
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:45 AM   #161
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After ~10 years of usage, also working with other distros, i can say it's by far the best i've ever tried.
Agreed. I have happily used Slackware for eight years; it is my distro.
Once you Slack, you never go back.
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:23 AM   #162
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In addition to the links onebuck posted, slackpkg already has a full list of mirrors for many countries in its config files. Though admittedly that presents a chicken and egg situation for new users, since they wouldn't have slackpkg/Slackware yet.

However, you can also use the mirror list within the slackpkg package on one mirror to find out about the others, e.g.:

Code:
$ wget -qO- http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.37/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.82.0-noarch-5.tgz | tar -xzOf- usr/doc/slackpkg-2.82.0/mirrors-x86.sample
Alternatively, here is a full list I already extracted:

Finland,
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.slackware.com/pub/

Belgium, 2x1Gbit
http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/
ftp://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/

Bulgaria, 5Mbit
http://mirrors.unixsol.org/slackware/
ftp://mirrors.unixsol.org/slackware/

Slovakia, 100Mbit
ftp://ftp.pieskovisko.sk/pub/slackware/

Norway, 1Gbit
ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/

Portugal, 10Mbit
http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/pub/slackware/
ftp://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/pub/slackware/

Austria, 100Mbit
ftp://ftp.slackware.at/

Brasil, 150Mbit
ftp://ftp.slackware-brasil.com.br/

USA, 45Mbit
ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/

USA, 155Mbps
ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/...ons/slackware/

Taiwan, 1Gbit
ftp://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Slackware/

Denmark, 100Mbit
http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/
ftp://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/

Bulgaria, 100Mbit
http://slackware.bgbits.com/slackware/

Czech Republic, 100Mbit
http://ftp.slackware.cz/slackware/
ftp://ftp.slackware.cz/slackware/

Switzerland, 1Gbit
http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/slackware/

Austria, 4Mbit
http://slackware.itsoft.at/slackware/

Poland, 100Mbit
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/slackware/

Poland, 1Gbit
ftp://ftp.man.szczecin.pl/pub/Linux/slackware/

UK, STM4
ftp://mirrors.virginmedia.com/sites/ftp.slackware.com/

Finland, 100Mbit
ftp://elektroni.phys.tut.fi/

Australia, 250Mbit
http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/
ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/

USA, GigE
http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/

Romania, 34Mbit
http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.slackware.com/
ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.slackware.com/

Ireland, 1Gbit
http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.sla...pub/slackware/
ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.slac...pub/slackware/

Czech Republic, 15Mbit
ftp://slackware:@ftp.unob.cz/

Austria,
http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/slackware/
ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/slackware/

Greece, 1Gbit
http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/
ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/

Netherlands, 100Mbit
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/slackware/

France, 1Gbit
http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/
ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/

Spain,
ftp://ftp.etse.urv.es/pub/linux/slackware/

Czech Republic, 1Gbit
http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackware/
ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackware/

Romania, 100Mbit, 2Mbit
http://serghei.net/linux/slackware/

USA,
ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/slackware/

USA, 1Gbit
http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/
ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/

Italy,
ftp://ftp.unina.it/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/

USA, 2xT3
ftp://ftp.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/os/slackware/

Sweden, 155Mbit
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/

Indonesia,
http://kambing.ui.ac.id/slackware/

Indonesia,
http://repo.ukdw.ac.id/slackware/
ftp://repo.ukdw.ac.id/slackware/

UK,
http://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/f...pub/slackware/
ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/ft...pub/slackware/

USA, x-OC12
http://slackware.mirrors.pair.com/

Germany, 622Mbit
ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/unix/linux/mirrors/slackware/

Serbia, 2x34Mbit
http://mirror.etf.bg.ac.rs/slackware/
ftp://mirror.etf.bg.ac.rs/slackware/

USA, 10Mbit
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/

Germany,
ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen...nux/slackware/

USA, OC-48
http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/dis...ons/slackware/
ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/dist...ons/slackware/

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Old 04-18-2012, 10:27 AM   #163
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Maybe slackware.com should be made a wiki. That way it stays up to date and you don't need an official maintainer, and you can get a free server if it is for educational purposes (which it is).
 
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:18 AM   #164
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Indeed, a Slackware wiki is a good idea.
 
Old 04-18-2012, 11:35 AM   #165
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First, I'd rather be accurate and tell the truth than have fans. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Here is a little bit of truth for you. I'm just an ordinary outside user who has been following all the conversation over the past couple of days. Caitlyn, your comments about Slackware and pretty much everything you say is completely off-base. It reminds me of bad local new reporter who tries to break a story on one sentence of information obtained from a stranger on the street corner. You attempt to formulate fifty conclusions from one forum statement and repost all your unconfirmed opinions as first hand information. I can understand why people have written you off because you are leech attempting to suck the life out of other peoples hard work by posting negative and outright bogus comments. In my opinion the Slackware community is much kinder than they should be to you. I would recommend doing something more constructive with your time because the posts you have made in the last couple days are nothing more than background noise.
 
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