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Old 04-19-2017, 04:39 PM   #31
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Did KDE put back in some of the stuff that got lost going from KDE 3 to 4/
Be more specific if you want meaningful answers.
 
Old 04-19-2017, 07:17 PM   #32
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In konqueror (file manager mode) you could display a bunch more metadata fields that got removed in 4.

I could also easily add to the right click menu as well.

The .directory had a whole bunch of options like color, background image, etc.

hmm, I remember the last time I tried to upgrade to plasma I failed but I suppose I could just download your live cd now and try it and see.

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Old 04-19-2017, 07:28 PM   #33
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For example, I have a simple question for you, Eric...

They fixed the clock thing to work properly on Slackware, without PAM?

Finally, the time and date could be setup properly, without error messages and other nasty things, on that Plasma?

And, please do not suggest me console commands instead. I know about them, but my users usually have no clue about what is good a console...
 
Old 04-19-2017, 08:33 PM   #34
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I tried the plasma5 thing in Alien's liveslack...IMHO it was awful. It was slow and it ate resources. I will go with another of his liveslack options I think, eventually. Naturally it wasn't anything to do with Alien, it was just the plasma5, I simply hated it.

If KDE is going this way, then luckily there are other DE's and WM's I can try (it won't ever be gnome, that's for sure!). It'd be a shame, but hopefully not a complete show-stopper.

I agree that this Poetering guy has screwed things up in the Linux world. Splitting an already small faction of people who fought the beast (Microslop) and rebelled against it and could actually enjoy what they found. Now, it's caused fear and loathing, neither of which is good in a rebellion. Personally, if Poettering and anyone working with him ever touched a computer and that computer fries, and happens every time to the point they give up working with computers ever again, I couldn't be happier and I'd throw the biggest beer party this county has ever seen, heh heh heh.
 
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Old 04-19-2017, 10:25 PM   #35
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Just out of curiosity, how representative is this of how the rest of the community feels?
Personally, I prefer Plasma 5, but I don't normally use a DE anymore anyway. I do still use some of the apps though, and eventually the KDE 4 versions are going to be unsupported.
 
Old 04-19-2017, 11:01 PM   #36
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I wasted too much time looking through this thread.

Pat created Slackware and has exercised his stewardship of it in a faithful and trustworthy manner.

I shall be content with whatever decision he makes.
 
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:16 AM   #37
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For example, I have a simple question for you, Eric...

They fixed the clock thing to work properly on Slackware, without PAM?

Finally, the time and date could be setup properly, without error messages and other nasty things, on that Plasma?

And, please do not suggest me console commands instead. I know about them, but my users usually have no clue about what is good a console...
Well, there's still that annoying message popup "Unable to authenticate/execute the action: 4" which I have been seeing for years. But the actions I perform on the systray clock (automatically configure the clock, select a NTP pool, select a timezone), they just work, no issues.

if the message annoys you, perhaps you care to troubleshoot it and find a patch? After all, KDE4 has the same issue and you like that DE.
 
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:19 AM   #38
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Splitting an already small faction of people who fought the beast (Microslop) and rebelled against it and could actually enjoy what they found. Now, it's caused fear and loathing, neither of which is good in a rebellion.
Too few people realize what an excellent move, from the "bigs" point of view, it has been ... it didn't destroyed the linux project or gnu or foss directly... it weakened (to the lowest possible point) the "spirit" that energized this movement from the very beginning.
Dividi et Impera always worked... splitting an already decentralizated thing is one way to do it... and who do you think will profit from all of it? surely not us, as users...

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I wasted too much time looking through this thread.

Pat created Slackware and has exercised his stewardship of it in a faithful and trustworthy manner.

I shall be content with whatever decision he makes.
Indeed, and i'm sure he will keep up the good work, at least for a few years... but if things will go awry globally and if kde-team will not change it's mind and if the kernel will be hijacked ecc ecc ecc... too many "if"....

for now, everything is fine, and slack is imho one of the most kiss adherent distros, simple, easy to fix and very flexible; an excellent piece of software, really.

I hope nothing will *force* the good guys in the slack-team to change their ways.

As for kde5, i've tried liveslack... maybe it's me, but as far as resources goes, it seems to me there is not much of a difference between kde4 and kde5... but, somehow, i still like 3.5 more, so my opinion may be kinda biased

for now i'll stick to xfce4, it may miss some of the (very good) kde utilities/DEintegrations, yet is, as slackware, easy, fast and simple.

so, to return IT, if slack will dump kde in future because it becamed too systemd-dependent, I think i'll not mind at all.
 
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:39 AM   #39
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I tried the plasma5 thing in Alien's liveslack...IMHO it was awful. It was slow and it ate resources. I will go with another of his liveslack options I think, eventually. Naturally it wasn't anything to do with Alien, it was just the plasma5, I simply hated it.
Live Cd's are slow in general, even if your just mounting the iso so it might not be plasma entirely.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 11:41 AM   #40
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Personally, I prefer Plasma 5, but I don't normally use a DE anymore anyway. I do still use some of the apps though, and eventually the KDE 4 versions are going to be unsupported.
I moved off of KDE apps with the 3-4 update. I have to install a couple more things but thats not a big deal.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 01:13 PM   #41
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Personally, I prefer Plasma 5, but I don't normally use a DE anymore anyway. I do still use some of the apps though, and eventually the KDE 4 versions are going to be unsupported.
I plan to propose a Slint Live edition with just some KDE 4 apps like e.g. kate, but not the KDE desktop features and none that depend on strigi or nepomuk. Do you have a dependency list for that and a list of the apps you use, if you made a similar choice? I can use http://slackware.uk/salix/x86_64/slackware-14.2/deps/ but that would save me some time .

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Old 04-21-2017, 01:21 PM   #42
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your reply kind of sounds like it's time for me to start distro hunting
The replies said that the most likely scenario is that Slackware will move to KDE 5 without moving to SystemD.
 
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:46 PM   #43
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1. Just because You paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after You
2. Taking away power, one feature at a time. (since KDE 3 IMHO)
3. Everything has limits, except stupidity and envy

Yes, i miss the aesthetics of KDE, but I value speed and performance more.

(hint-maybe go review recent vintage computing on Windows 95)
 
Old 04-21-2017, 06:30 PM   #44
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1. Just because You paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after You
I use a variation on that:

Just because you're hypochondriac doesn't mean you're not sick.

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Old 04-21-2017, 06:52 PM   #45
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I plan to propose a Slint Live edition with just some KDE 4 apps like e.g. kate, but not the KDE desktop features and none that depend on strigi or nepomuk. Do you have a dependency list for that and a list of the apps you use, if you made a similar choice? I can use http://slackware.uk/salix/x86_64/slackware-14.2/deps/ but that would save me some time .
Sorry, I don't have something quite like that. At one point, I used sbbdep to pare down my KDE installation to just the things I wanted to keep, but silly me didn't save the list. Then I had to reinstall and decided it wasn't worth the trouble, so I just removed the packages associated with .desktop files I didn't want instead. (That is easy to do with a script and then a little manual tweaking.)

Anyway, if you are wanting to make a list of dependencies, sbbdep is a good place to start. One caveat is that I don't think it picks up dependencies in interpreted languages like python, because the dependency information is only contained in the source code for those.

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