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philipacamaniac 10-15-2004 11:59 AM

Why won't Pat include Firefox?
 
Honestly, folks. I hope he has a legit "security/stability" reason for not including Firefox at *least* in the /testing directory.

Mozilla.org doesn't even really advertise for their Mozilla Suite anymore; Firefox is what they use, Firefox is what I use, Firefox is what YOU use. I'm sure Pat uses Firefox, too.

Debian, Mandrake, and Fedora have all included Firefox since version 0.9.3, and I'm pretty sure any security holes in Firefox can be found the base Mozilla Suite code.

Opinions, please!

sh1ft 10-15-2004 12:03 PM

I agree 100%, I think firefox should be included in slackware, and it probably will be ones the official 1.0 release comes out. Until then its still officially pre-release, so that has to be the reason for its exclusion. Although the bugs found in firefox are usually found in mozilla as well, and right now firefox seems pretty polished.

Remember that when slack 10 was released firefox was around 0.8 I believe, and was lacking many features it now has. I would expect it to be included in 10.1 definitely.

win32sux 10-15-2004 12:31 PM

i quote from the slackware current changelog (september 19):

Quote:

xap/mozilla-1.7.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to mozilla-1.7.3.
The Mozilla page says this fixes some "minor security holes".
It also breaks Galeon and Epiphany, and new versions of these have
still not appeared. In light of this, I think it's time to remove
these Gecko-based browsers. The future is going to be Firefox and
Thunderbird anyway, and I don't believe Galeon and Epiphany can be
compiled against Firefox's libraries.
i'm sure firefox will be included in slackware as soon as it becomes stable...

philipacamaniac 10-15-2004 12:42 PM

Well, I guess that makes sense. Now that I see that changelog, I think I remember reading that. I'm still waiting for Zack Rusin over at KDE to make a KFirefox. Especially if Pat does decide to remove Gnome (which I don't really think he will).

win32sux 10-15-2004 12:55 PM

yeah i heard something about gnome getting a pink slip from patrick...

what's that about??

Hangdog42 10-15-2004 01:30 PM

Quote:

yeah i heard something about gnome getting a pink slip from patrick...

what's that about??
There is a huge thread around here somewhere about this, but basically Patrick says that maintaining Gnome takes up about a third of the entire Slackware development effort and he is tired of spending that level of time on one aspect of Slackware.

sh1ft 10-15-2004 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by philipacamaniac
I'm still waiting for Zack Rusin over at KDE to make a KFirefox. Especially if Pat does decide to remove Gnome (which I don't really think he will). [/B]
Have you tried the platikfox theme? It makes firefox seem completely integrated with kde.

win32sux 10-15-2004 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hangdog42
There is a huge thread around here somewhere about this, but basically Patrick says that maintaining Gnome takes up about a third of the entire Slackware development effort and he is tired of spending that level of time on one aspect of Slackware.
here's the thread if anybody wants to stop-by:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=240451

nick_th_fury 10-15-2004 03:24 PM

I disagree. I only use firefox, which is why I do not want it included.
Some programs link to mozilla, so I can see it's inclusion.

I hate installers on small apps. It's soo much easier to download, untar, run.
Simple, & easy. Why do we need an installed version to muck it up?

sh1ft 10-15-2004 03:57 PM

Err.. are programs dependant on joe for example? Does that mean it should not be included? No, because it serves a purpose, it is a good lightweight editor, just like firefox is a good lightweight browser. Of course it should be included, that's the whole point of distros, to include useful apps that everyone uses.

nick_th_fury 10-16-2004 06:45 AM

Not really. There are tons of apps that slack doesn't include.
It gives us a nice stable base. Firefox changes all the time.
Why even bother? We would just be upgrading it immediately anyway.

I think things are perfect the way they are for now.
After the mozilla team does what they said, & Firefox replaces mozilla.
Then would be a good time to have it included.
For now, it's easier to keep it the way it is, IMO.

the who 10-16-2004 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nick_th_fury
After the mozilla team does what they said, & Firefox replaces mozilla.
There are no plans to abandon the Suite. But there's quite a few Linux-specific bugs with Firefox when installed in a system (non-home) location, maybe Pat waits until these are fixed.

Franklin 10-16-2004 09:27 AM

I understand the need for this as much as I understand the need for slackware packages of OO.o. Why should PV (or anyone else for that matter) waste time creating packages for software that installs beutifully with the provided install scipts?

:twocents:

nick_th_fury 10-16-2004 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by the who
There are no plans to abandon the Suite. But there's quite a few Linux-specific bugs with Firefox when installed in a system (non-home) location, maybe Pat waits until these are fixed.
I thought I had read that they would eventually merge. Perhaps I'm wrong.
I do agree with the bugs, as it still has quite a few that will kill it.


Quote:

I understand the need for this as much as I understand the need for slackware packages of OO.o. Why should PV (or anyone else for that matter) waste time creating packages for software that installs beutifully with the provided install scipts?
I totally agree. I'd rather install these programs myself.
That way I set them up exactly as I choose.
Not a big deal really, I just would not install them from CD.
I'd install slack without, them do them manually.

philipacamaniac 10-16-2004 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Franklin
I understand the need for this as much as I understand the need for slackware packages of OO.o. Why should PV (or anyone else for that matter) waste time creating packages for software that installs beutifully with the provided install scipts?

:twocents:

Then why even include any browser? There's an easy installer for Mozilla Suite, too. As well as Epiphany, Galeon, and others. I only brought it up because Firefox is clearly the leader in the Alternative Browser MarketTM. Not including OOo makes sense because its a huge package and not necessarily the best thing out there. Not in including Firefox is just plain silliness, because anyone installing Slack on a desktop will just have to go download and install it anyway.

Like it or not, Pat's already said that he's moving towards Firefox.


<sarcasm>You know, I use lynx a lot, so I wish it wasn't included in my favorite operating system.</sarcasm>


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