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Old 07-13-2010, 02:43 PM   #16
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I see. This helps Slackware appeal to a wider audience by making it easier for someone to use what they like. It's for a greater good than myself
Not really brother, Slackware is here since July' 93, one of the earliest linux distro. Its still here, rocking. It is actually very simple, and already have a good audience. A slacker will be always a slacker, like you and me.
 
Old 07-13-2010, 02:47 PM   #17
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More to the point: many people may be using the same computer. Don't forget that any GNU/Linux system is a multi-user system. For example, my wife and I share our main desktop computer. I'll sometimes drop into XFCE or Enlightenment just for fun, but none of that affects my wife's profile and her KDE setup.

Even cooler: I can be compiling software and doing a whole bunch of junk on the computer, and then simply switch over to an unused terminal so my wife can log in and do her work while mine continues in the background.

Regards,
I never thought of it that way. My computer is basically single-user, so I never worried about that.

Can you have multiple instances of X (with different user accounts, window managers and programs running) at one time? Or do you mean you and your wife were using the frame buffer and cli programs?
 
Old 07-13-2010, 03:05 PM   #18
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Can you have multiple instances of X (with different user accounts, window managers and programs running) at one time?
Yup! Try it yourself.

If you boot into runlevel 3 (instead of 4) you get six virtual terminals. Go to the first VT and type startx. Your X session starts and is bound to F7.

From that session, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open the next VT. Log in again and Type startx -- :1 and the next X session starts and is bound to F8. You can switch between the X sessions or among the virtual terminals with Ctrl-Alt-Fx.

My wife and I do this all the time. I'll have a bunch of stuff running and she'll want to check her e-mail. I'll simply C-A-F2 and she'll log in and do her thing.

What's even more fun is when I SSH from my laptop to the desktop and work on stuff on the dekstop from the laptop while my wife works on the desktop.

What's even more fun (but mostly completely useless) is using SSH to connect to the desktop and then, from the desktop, using SSH to connect back to the laptop -- all while Robin blissfully checks e-mail and goes to Facebook in her X session.

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Old 07-13-2010, 03:05 PM   #19
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I never thought of it that way. My computer is basically single-user, so I never worried about that.

Can you have multiple instances of X (with different user accounts, window managers and programs running) at one time? Or do you mean you and your wife were using the frame buffer and cli programs?
Well, unless you have multiple video cards, keyboards, and mice on your machine, some of your users will have to be remote. I've logged into my machine at work from home, exporting the login display to my house over ssh. I've also done remote command line logins to the same machine, all while letting my co-workers do stuff on it.

AFAIK, unix was multiuser from the very beginning. Same with linux.
 
Old 07-13-2010, 03:09 PM   #20
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Well, unless you have multiple video cards, keyboards, and mice on your machine, some of your users will have to be remote.
Only if they want to work on the computer at the same time. Notwithstanding my SSH stunts (see above), most of the time my wife and I simply swap time in front of the computer. The nice things is that I don't have to log out or even stop compiling (for example) when she needs the computer.
 
Old 07-13-2010, 05:01 PM   #21
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Yup! Try it yourself.

If you boot into runlevel 3 (instead of 4) you get six virtual terminals. Go to the first VT and type startx. Your X session starts and is bound to F7.

From that session, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open the next VT. Log in again and Type startx -- :1 and the next X session starts and is bound to F8. You can switch between the X sessions or among the virtual terminals with Ctrl-Alt-Fx.

My wife and I do this all the time. I'll have a bunch of stuff running and she'll want to check her e-mail. I'll simply C-A-F2 and she'll log in and do her thing.

What's even more fun is when I SSH from my laptop to the desktop and work on stuff on the dekstop from the laptop while my wife works on the desktop.

What's even more fun (but mostly completely useless) is using SSH to connect to the desktop and then, from the desktop, using SSH to connect back to the laptop -- all while Robin blissfully checks e-mail and goes to Facebook in her X session.

Regards,
That's pretty amazing. I'll have to check out the man page of startx and similar documentation to see what else I can do. The SSH stuff sounds fun too


This is why I love the Slackware community. I learn so much!
 
Old 07-13-2010, 05:31 PM   #22
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But why is all of this redundant software included?
So, why don't you choose a custom install and install *only* the software you want in Slackware? Or if your install is too "redundant" use pkgtool to remove the software you do not want. Your complaint is quite odd, methinks.
You are upset that Slackware users have a lot of choice? Choice is what FOSS is all about, man!
 
Old 07-13-2010, 05:55 PM   #23
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Multiple browsers have their uses.
I use firefox for my main browsing application.
I also can connect to my work server via ssh and setup a dynamic port forward to use this server as a proxy server. I then use seamonkey as my browser. This keeps all the necessary configuration so that I do not have to change from session to session as well as allowing me to keep separate bookmarks.
 
Old 07-13-2010, 06:44 PM   #24
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:46 PM   #25
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I have been on Slack for so long that I don't remember details about other OSes very well, but I have used RH/Fedora for some years at work and they also had 4 or 5 packages that did basically the same stuff. This is a matter of taste. You can choose what you want and uninstall what you don't need. I personally like to have many options to try, taste and choose among them. I write most of my stuff with VI, but sometimes I open nano or joe. I like fluxbox and turned my face to KDE 4, but if Pat hadn't included KDE 4 in Slack I wouldn't have tasted it and installed it for my secretaries at their workstation. It is just a matter of taste. Also, you can always make a personal install. Just imagine if you lived in a windows nightmarish world where you were always stuck to notepad...
 
Old 07-13-2010, 08:30 PM   #26
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I never thought of it that way. My computer is basically single-user, so I never worried about that.

Can you have multiple instances of X (with different user accounts, window managers and programs running) at one time? Or do you mean you and your wife were using the frame buffer and cli programs?
LOL on a typical day I'm logged into a KDE session, while my kids have a Gnome session, and I frequently have an XDMCP sesion going to another machine. When it's time for updating or reconfiguring my 3 Slack boxes, it's common for me to have 2 XDMCP sessions (with XFCE and flux), a KDE session, a Gnome session, and then ssh sessions in virtual terminals. It can get very confusing, but it beats running all over the house trying to see where I'm at on the family computer, my machine, and the server. One reason I like to use different WM's is it makes the above easier to keep straight, plus XDMCP sessions can be a little laggy even on my 100mb/s wired network if I use KDE or GNOME. And finally sometimes I feel like a Gnome, sometimes I'm in Flux( or KDE, or XFCE).
 
Old 07-13-2010, 10:07 PM   #27
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Yup! Try it yourself.

If you boot into runlevel 3 (instead of 4) you get six virtual terminals. Go to the first VT and type startx. Your X session starts and is bound to F7.

From that session, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open the next VT. Log in again and Type startx -- :1 and the next X session starts and is bound to F8. You can switch between the X sessions or among the virtual terminals with Ctrl-Alt-Fx.
Wow! This is awesome, I had no idea this could happen. Thanks!
 
Old 07-13-2010, 10:55 PM   #28
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Wow! This is awesome, I had no idea this could happen. Thanks!
If you have multiple machines you can configure it so that you can do the same thing with remote machines with something like
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X :1 -query SOMEHOST
 
Old 07-14-2010, 05:54 AM   #29
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If you want a one app. per job distro, try the Slackware derivatives: Salix and Zenwalk. Me? I like a full install. Plenty of toys to play with.
 
Old 07-14-2010, 06:39 AM   #30
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I just take out what I don't need from the perfectly accessible "Menu" option on the installer...
 
  


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