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Old 02-01-2010, 02:54 PM   #1006
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Thanks Eric
The aufs one looks pretty hard?
and the build scripts,etc are for 2.6.27 kernel
which is kinda old aint it?

I'm trying to turn my 13 setup into a livecd
so, 2.6.27 aint gonna work....

I guess it would seem easy to a vet, but that aufs how-to needs some serious
"english-aka-normal-speak" added to it

I mean cant he get that down to a simple
do this, then this, then that?

and Thomas is notorius for not providing enough info
his whole how-to on making a livecd with linux live is like 2 paragraphs?!

Guees I'll have to figure out myself
as usual...
 
Old 02-01-2010, 02:54 PM   #1007
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Oh, ok nevermind then.
 
Old 02-01-2010, 04:12 PM   #1008
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I'm not sure if this was mentioned already, but how about adding more packages to /extra? I'm fairly new to Slackware but I was kind of surprised to see only about 20 or so packages. Why can't Slackware expand it's official package base? I know there is SlackBuilds but it's not the same thing and even if you include SlackBuilds the amount of packages that Slackware has compared to Debian or Arch or Gentoo seems fairly small. How about including OpenOffice? Most distros already include this and I think that it is somewhat of a necessity for a desktop. Also I think that grub should be an option during the install. I'm not sure why lilo is still the default. I mean it works but you have to overwrite your mbr everytime you alter /etc/lilo.conf. I know it's not that hard to install grub yourself but this either takes planning so that you can do it during the install or you have to do it after the fact which, to me, is not really worth doing after the bootloader is already in place. Even just having a grub package for Slackware would be nice. That way I could just download the package from a mirror during the install and set up grub myself before rebooting. I thought I saw one in /extras one time but I could be wrong.

Other than that Slackware is a pretty good distro.
 
Old 02-01-2010, 04:39 PM   #1009
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Why can't Slackware expand it's official package base?
Slackware is the work of Pat Volkerding; maintaining a large official package base is too large a task.
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I know there is SlackBuilds but it's not the same thing
Amen to that. Slackers prefer to worry about dependencies for themselves.
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How about including OpenOffice? Most distros already include this and I think that it is somewhat of a necessity for a desktop.
Slackware does more than run on desktops. Also Slackware is about freedom of choice. Many Slackers find OpenOffice to be bloatware.
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Also I think that grub should be an option during the install. I'm not sure why lilo is still the default. I mean it works but you have to overwrite your mbr everytime you alter /etc/lilo.conf.
You answered your own point, lilo BECAUSE it works! I am sure your disk mean time to failure can handle overwriting the MBR. Even Windows 9x systems ran for years despite hammering a single disk sector while in operation.
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I thought I saw one in /extras one time but I could be wrong.
You were not wrong.
 
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:59 PM   #1010
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Slackware is the work of Pat Volkerding; maintaining a large official package base is too large a task.
There must be other people helping Patrick out though, no?

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Amen to that. Slackers prefer to worry about dependencies for themselves
My suggestion had nothing to do with resolving dependencies. I like how Slackware does not do that. I was trying to suggest that additional program groups could be added like /non-free /experimental , etc. This way we could use slackpkg to download these packages and wouldn't have to compile packages that aren't part of the official package base. Patrick wouldn't have to do all this. I'm sure there would be lots of people who would be willing to contribute packages.

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Slackware does more than run on desktops. Also Slackware is about freedom of choice. Many Slackers find OpenOffice to be bloatware
Adding more official packages would only increase freedom of choice. No one is forced to install any one package or package group.

I'm not trying to rock the boat. I think that Slackware might be the best distro out there. I just don't understand why there can't be more official packages to choose from. I don't see why this would make it any less stable.

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Old 02-01-2010, 05:09 PM   #1011
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I would definitely love to see better support for easy dual boot on a mac. If it was just as easy to set up an install and LILO booting alongside Mac OS X as it is with Windows, I don't even know how happy I would be. There was a guy here who contributed this awesome script that uses Gentoo's GPT-aware kernel to get an install set up so Slackware can be installed alongside Snow Leopard, but I would like to see this officially supported by Pat.
 
Old 02-01-2010, 05:11 PM   #1012
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Why do we need more official packages when we have places like SBo? Just use something like sbopkg (haven't used it, but I hear it's very good) to do it all for you. I understand that keeping up to date with the pkgs from SBo may be a little trickier, but that's part of system administration. I remember a thread somewhere on here about keeping 3rd party pkgs up to date. Ahhh, here it is. Link. I think that the amount of pkgs for Slack is perfect. We don't need all that other crap that the other distros put in. If you want all that, use another distro. As stated above, if you need something you can usually find it at rworkman's site, alienBOB's site, or SBo, or any of the many, many other places.
 
Old 02-01-2010, 05:28 PM   #1013
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There must be other people helping Patrick out though, no?
Yes but not many.

The ground-work for many things you see is done by various team members but the official Packages are still all rolled in by Pat.


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I'm not trying to rock the boat. I think that Slackware might be the best distro out there. I just don't understand why there can't be more official packages to choose from. I don't see why this would make it any less stable.
It's about quality not quantity =)
 
Old 02-01-2010, 06:24 PM   #1014
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Regarding the number of packages, I haven't found much that I wanted and even less that I've needed that wasn't either, included with a full install, available from SBo, had an installable binary, or fairly straightforward to build from source.

I run 2 Ubuntu machines and 2 slackware machines and I've found that certain things I NEED, like nmap for instance, are part of a full slack install, but have to be added after the fact with Ubuntu despite all their available packages.

Really the only thing I NEED that isn't installed by default with slackware is openoffice and that couldn't be easier to install than with the slackbuild available.

Gparted is really my only want that's a problem. Edit: Gparted is in fact no problem at all as described below.

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Old 02-01-2010, 06:31 PM   #1015
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Gparted is really my only want that's a problem.
Why is it a problem?
 
Old 02-01-2010, 07:08 PM   #1016
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Why is it a problem?
Apparently it's not. I'm not sure why I thought it was, probably operator error the last time I tried to build it.

Since your post and this post I have successfully used SBo to build and install Gparted as well as it's dependencies. I guess I should edit my post above to say that there's nothing I've found so far that I needed or wanted that wasn't easily available!
 
Old 02-01-2010, 07:34 PM   #1017
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I've been Schlacked again!

You know; been away from slack as I was concentrating on deb/buntu's
and err........?
WTF? was I doin?

LOL
Now, today
I've beamed in Absolute, SalixOS, some Zenwalk, a little Vector Light Final(awesome icewm!-maybe better than Absolute's)
and wow
I love Slack,
EDIT: of course; I have True slack on 3 partitions and one lappy partition

Why do people always say running Slack is so hard?
Dealing with Dpkg when it goes awry
thats hard

Dont change anything
just someone write a easy-to-understand "create a Slack livecd with Linux Live Scripts How-To"
which isnt really part of this discussion
sorry

But I do love Slack

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Old 02-01-2010, 09:41 PM   #1018
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Yes but not many.

The ground-work for many things you see is done by various team members but the official Packages are still all rolled in by Pat.

It's about quality not quantity =)
I understand what you're saying Fancylad. There are already packages in /extra why not add some more -- like an official packages set. It sounds reasonable.

However on their defense I can see that maintaining packages for all the variation of slackware might be very time intensive. I can see also where it might be beneficial for people to learn how 'make' packages themselves via slackbuilds. If slackware were to provide packages people would miss the point of slackbuilds etc.

Plus since people supporting slackware seem to be fairly small, I'd prefer them to use their time as effectively as possible to the pursue the the heart of the distro -- 'mission', KISS, stability, speed, etc... not maintaining applications builds. We can do that!
 
Old 02-01-2010, 11:23 PM   #1019
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I'm not sure why lilo is still the default. I mean it works but you have to overwrite your mbr everytime you alter /etc/lilo.conf.
Not true. I've set up Lilo so it runs from the first sector of the root partition. It did not touch the MBR.

This is the recommended setup when dualbooting Linux / XP, and the Slackware setup explicitly allows you to do that way.
 
Old 02-02-2010, 12:31 AM   #1020
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Not true. I've set up Lilo so it runs from the first sector of the root partition. It did not touch the MBR.

This is the recommended setup when dualbooting Linux / XP, and the Slackware setup explicitly allows you to do that way
I think you are missing my point sombragris. When I'm installing Slackware there is no other OS on my system so I need to write something to my MBR. And even if you are writing to the first sector of your root partition you will still have to write to that sector each time you change something in lilo.conf. Again this is not such a big deal, but in my mind it is better to not have to have a program keep reinstalling itself just because you have made a change to it's config file.
 
  


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