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Old 01-09-2010, 06:32 PM   #931
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Thanks for the feedback, Eric...

But as I mentioned, I know (and agree with the decisions).

I just think it would be nice if there was a RATIONALE file to give some idea of the thinking behind some of these decisions.

Something a little bit beyond "stability, simplicity, speed, stability"...

...OTOH, that about says it all, doesn't it? ;-)


To paraphrase Katherine Hepburn: "Never explain anything to anyone!"
 
Old 01-09-2010, 06:47 PM   #932
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Maybe you could write it?
 
Old 01-09-2010, 07:14 PM   #933
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The thing is that there is no "Manifesto".

Decisions are made on a case-by-case basis. If you have ever maintained a project of any size (and a distribution is a huge undertaking) you'll quickly realise that even the smallest changes can have far reaching effects.

It's tough enough to keep things in balance without having some pre-defined/imaginary set of rules (expectations?) hanging over everything that's done. (We have enough of these already).

We do discuss various additions and changes at length but ultimately Patrick has the final word. Personally I trust his judgement and am happy that it works like this.

Rightly or wrongly many people have tried to define what Slackware is or isn't supposed to be but that seems rather pointless to me.

For me one of the biggest attractions is it's flexibility... it comes at a cost but I'm prepared to pay that price.
 
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Old 01-09-2010, 08:45 PM   #934
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The thing is that there is no "Manifesto".

Decisions are made on a case-by-case basis. If you have ever maintained a project of any size (and a distribution is a huge undertaking) you'll quickly realise that even the smallest changes can have far reaching effects.

It's tough enough to keep things in balance without having some pre-defined/imaginary set of rules (expectations?) hanging over everything that's done. (We have enough of these already).

We do discuss various additions and changes at length but ultimately Patrick has the final word. Personally I trust his judgement and am happy that it works like this.

Rightly or wrongly many people have tried to define what Slackware is or isn't supposed to be but that seems rather pointless to me.

For me one of the biggest attractions is it's flexibility... it comes at a cost but I'm prepared to pay that price.
It just works!!
 
Old 01-10-2010, 04:55 AM   #935
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The thing is that there is no "Manifesto".
Good. Otherwise we might end up like Debian: with a "Policy on This", a "Policy on That", and a "Policy on The Other".
 
Old 01-10-2010, 09:18 AM   #936
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Good. Otherwise we might end up like Debian: with a "Policy on This", a "Policy on That", and a "Policy on The Other".
Agreed. The good people at Debian are hamstrung by politics, protocols. I like Slackware as it is.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 10:42 AM   #937
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Let's not change what is working so fine. Slackware is the best OS I have put my hands on in a bunch of years. PV and team are as important as Linus and Stallman for personal computing nowadays. I have always had a PC at home since my first ZX-80 dad brought from England. I have always lived among them. I guess the best machine I have ever used was my Apple IIe. Since micro$oft took over our world, everything become boring and stupid with wintel. I have been using Linux since 1995, exclusively, but the distros I have tried were becoming more and more sluggish and disgusting trying to behave like windows. That is the case with the distro F****a, each day more and more unstable, "fancy", "user-friendly", slow, heavy and broken. Slack was then only a hobby. I have changed all my 3 machines to Slackware 13 in less than 2 weeks, including the one from my office and I am absolutely surprised to see I have finally found my OS and my community. Thank you guys! I have never bought an OS before, I always refused to buy c**p, but this way I had to collaborate with everybody and buy from slackstore the whole package - the dual DVD, the slackbook, even a T-shirt and Tux for my wife. I know it is not so much, but it's a way to thank you all. Please, don't change Slack.
 
Old 01-10-2010, 05:09 PM   #938
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We have a policy to never mess with "Killer Rabbits" or "Giant HedgeHogs"
 
Old 01-10-2010, 08:30 PM   #939
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...Koffice integrates with KDE, OOo integrates with nothing, and it is a bitch to build...
With all due respect, what does KOffice bring to the party? Very little, IMHO. If you are creating a document from scratch it has some value, but if you are editing and saving documents in, e.g., the ms-word format, it is near worthless.
Office Office (i prefer Go-OO), OTOH, can open ms-word documents and they appear as they were created. The company I work with sends all their documents in the ms-word format and some we are allowed to edit for our own purposes. That can be done in OO. It also will open all my old WordPerfect documents and, again, they appear exactly as they were created including all the graphics and tables. They can then be edited and saved in a more "modern" format.
In other words, OpenOffice has value, i.e., it brings something to the party. KOffice is just a waste of disk space, IMHO.

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:20 AM   #940
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KOffice is just a waste of disk space, IMHO.
Mine too. It is the first package removed from my not quite full, full install.

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:20 AM   #941
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KOffice is just a waste of disk space, IMHO.
Mine too. It is the first package removed from my not quite full, full install.

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Old 01-11-2010, 01:12 PM   #942
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There's no doubt that Open Office has value. Its word prediction is a fantastic feature! I agree, too, that KOffice isn't quite up to snuff, especially when sharing files with MS Office users.

Having said that, Koffice is okay and it seems that developers are continuing to maintain and work on improving it. It does integrate well with KDE, and it is apparently a lot easier to build from a distribution maintainer's point of view. Finally, it's not hard at all for Slackware users to get Open Office.
 
Old 01-11-2010, 03:35 PM   #943
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I would also like to put in a vote for Open Office. I believe it would be a welcome addition to Slackware.
 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:02 PM   #944
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Hi,

I just started using 'KWord' and find it usable. One thing that bugs me is the formatting along with the auto-insert functions.

Whenever I attempt to move within a page the pages will scroll to the next page as if the page was being updated. The thing is that the cursor remained at the point of entry. I've never experienced this with OO or Word. Got me puzzled.

I may just install OO on this laptop w/13_64.

As for recommending OO for any new Slacks I'll leave that to PV & Team.

 
Old 01-11-2010, 10:09 PM   #945
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As for recommending OO for any new Slacks I'll leave that to PV & Team.

Absolutely! I trust Pat and the team completely. I am very happy that Pat has the final call on what is included in Slackware. That works for me.
 
  


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