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Old 03-21-2009, 10:35 PM   #511
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What improvements would you like to see?
Oh, well.. I have some ideas, like:

1) pre-selections for packages like "webserver" (includes httpd, PHP, MySQL) / "Router" (includes several network packages, but no X or KDE or games) / "Desktop" with KDE or XFCE / etc... I know it's not that simple though...

2) Some idiot-proofing, like: warnings if you install KDE without X.

3) Better networking setup... I think it's too simple now - I always have to come back to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/resolv.conf afterwards, especially with more than one network adapter.

and...
WARNING: entering *DANGER ZONE* here...

4) Some packages depend on others... I know Slackware "don't do no" dependency checking... But... Maybe we could include some simple checks here during setup to see if we're not missing anything.
(OK, I'll probably be flamed to death now...)

As a strong defender of open software, I feel that "If I don't like it, I should improve it".
I might be able to work on items 2) & 3) and my original request of calculating needed space if there's enough interest.

Last edited by niels.horn; 03-21-2009 at 10:37 PM. Reason: typos...
 
Old 03-21-2009, 11:16 PM   #512
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libotr which adds encryption support to IM.
It can be used by stuff in kdenetwork (kopete) & mcabber at the very least.
Optionally theres also pidgin-otr which would be useful to some people too.
 
Old 03-21-2009, 11:19 PM   #513
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Oh, well.. I have some ideas, like:

1) pre-selections for packages like "webserver" (includes httpd, PHP, MySQL) / "Router" (includes several network packages, but no X or KDE or games) / "Desktop" with KDE or XFCE / etc... I know it's not that simple though...
Just create sets of tagfiles for each type of install you want.

If you want to host and distribute these then be prepared to get into the debate over exactly what constitutes each of these installs and to maintain them as the lists of packages and their deps change over time.

Not likely to make it into the distro as it stands at the moment.

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2) Some idiot-proofing, like: warnings if you install KDE without X.
Next we'll have instructions on how to breathe
If you don't know what you are doing you should always do a full install. I'll leave it at that.


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3) Better networking setup... I think it's too simple now - I always have to come back to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/resolv.conf afterwards, especially with more than one network adapter.
There is ongoing work in this area... not making any promises but stay tuned

*Danger zone* skipped

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As a strong defender of open software, I feel that "If I don't like it, I should improve it".
I might be able to work on items 2) & 3) and my original request of calculating needed space if there's enough interest.
The space calculation is an interesting idea but the implementation with the current installer might be a bit tricky. Food for thought though.
 
Old 03-21-2009, 11:31 PM   #514
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Just create sets of tagfiles for each type of install you want.

If you want to host and distribute these then be prepared to get into the debate over exactly what constitutes each of these installs and to maintain them as the lists of packages and their deps change over time.
I know, that's why I said... Not so simple...
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Next we'll have instructions on how to breathe
If you don't know what you are doing you should always do a full install. I'll leave it at that.
OK, point taken... I never had problems with it, but less-experienced users might find it handy. But then, they'll probably won't appreciate Slackware as an introduction to Linux anyway.

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There is ongoing work in this area... not making any promises but stay tuned
Always tuned to -current on at least two machines...

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The space calculation is an interesting idea but the implementation with the current installer might be a bit tricky. Food for thought though.
ok! If help is needed (even for testing), count me in...
 
Old 03-22-2009, 05:31 PM   #515
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The build script is a very bad idea, in maintainance terms.
An example is the latest GCC 4.3 update in current.
I bet many packages in Slackware dont build with that version of GCC.
Providing patches just for that is a waste of time.
Slackware is a 100% binary distribution.
Why should other packages be recompiled after gcc is upgraded? They have neither build dependency nor run-time dependency. The gcc is a different thing from glibc and libstdc++.

Many people, including Alien Bob, make this wrong. But you are better than Alien Bob. At least you did not make evil guesses over other people like he did.
 
Old 03-22-2009, 05:36 PM   #516
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Why should other packages be recompiled after gcc is upgraded? They have neither build dependency nor run-time dependency. The gcc is a different thing from glibc and libstdc++.
And such was the point being made!

The OP suggested a build script that would rebuild the entire package set.
As sahko correctly pointed out many packages would fail to build during this process.

Please read comments in context before making criticisms.

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Old 03-22-2009, 05:44 PM   #517
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Why should other packages be recompiled after gcc is upgraded? They have neither build dependency nor run-time dependency. The gcc is a different thing from glibc and libstdc++.
What you say above conflicts with your build script request.
If a package doesnt build with the build script cause it needs a patch for newer GCC versions wouldnt you complain that the script doesnt work cause the patch is not part of the sources tree?

FWIW Slackware seems to be giving some attention to GCC 4.3 building issues.
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l/lesstif-0.95.0-i486-3.tgz: Patched to compile with gcc-4.3.x.
I dont know if all other packages build with this version of GCC though.
 
Old 03-22-2009, 06:21 PM   #518
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And such was the point being made!

The OP suggested a build script that would rebuild the entire package set.
As sahko correctly pointed out many packages would fail to build during this process.

Please read comments in context before making criticisms.
For this, the OP meant "when he has only the source ...". Most people involved in this discussion, including me, agree that there must be dependency checking. I did even make a few posts some days ago to clearify the difference between build dependency and run-time dependency. That was after the sinister accuse by Alien Bob was made.

Please read comments in context before making criticisms.
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:26 PM   #519
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Most people involved in this discussion, including me, agree that there must be dependency checking.
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Uhuh.... gotta love statistics
 
Old 03-22-2009, 07:10 PM   #520
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Most people involved in this discussion, including me, agree that there must be dependency checking.
Who's elected you to be the spokesman for "most people"? I should think that most people using Slackware are satisfied with it as it is, and don't want or need any radical changes.
 
Old 03-22-2009, 07:31 PM   #521
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Many people, including Alien Bob, make this wrong. But you are better than Alien Bob. At least you did not make evil guesses over other people like he did.
Please stop your criticism of Slackware developers. I very-much appreciate Eric's contribution to my OS and I thank him for his continued dedication.
I have no idea who you are. Lighten-up, man!
 
Old 03-22-2009, 07:37 PM   #522
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<snip> Most people involved in this discussion, including me, agree that there must be dependency checking. I did even make a few posts some days ago to clearify the difference between build dependency and run-time dependency. That was after the sinister accuse by Alien Bob was made.

Please read comments in context before making criticisms.
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You are not speaking for the majority. I know you don't speak for me. Your clarity is not as you implicate.

You lack the discipline to read things for context so how can you suggest others do the same.

As for sinister accusations, you started the name calling. I'll let Alien_Bob defend himself. But as a LQ forum member I find you guilty of what you preach. If you want dependency then who's stopping you from doing that. Slackware is what it is a stable and respected distribution. I don't want anything to do with what you are suggesting and I'm sure Slackware won't either.

BTW, I don't find anything Alien_Bob has done as sinister. He's made a lot more contributions to the community. How many can you say you've made that are constructive let alone assisting users?

Let it be, your just attempting to piss up a rope!
 
Old 03-22-2009, 09:03 PM   #523
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Please stop your criticism of Slackware developers. I very-much appreciate Eric's contribution to my OS and I thank him for his continued dedication.
I have no idea who you are. Lighten-up, man!
I too appreciate Alien Bob's efforts regarding Slackware. Please take you personal grievances elsewhere.
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I should think that most people using Slackware are satisfied with it as it is, and don't want or need any radical changes.
Amen from me..
 
Old 03-23-2009, 12:57 AM   #524
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Please stop your criticism of Slackware developers. I very-much appreciate Eric's contribution to my OS and I thank him for his continued dedication.
I have no idea who you are. Lighten-up, man!
I fully agree with this and support Eric and all the others on the team.
It would be interesting to figure out why more and more of these newcomers to LQ adopt such arrogant attitudes when it comes to Slackware?
 
Old 03-23-2009, 09:06 AM   #525
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I fully agree with this and support Eric and all the others on the team.
It would be interesting to figure out why more and more of these newcomers to LQ adopt such arrogant attitudes when it comes to Slackware?
the reason is you have to read.
the dependency thing was taken care of in the 1980's when some one wrote a script called configure. at this point you like anybody else
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<snip> Most people involved in this discussion, including me, agree that there must be dependency checking. I did even make a few posts some days ago to clearify the difference between build dependency and run-time dependency. That was after the sinister accuse by Alien Bob was made.
the build dependency is per machine like slackware is built custom per machine so if you build it then you can run it.
as dora,bgeddy,onebuck, etc,etc....
I want to thank anyone that has contributed to the oldest Distro to date. why is it here KISS.
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