website creation tools
 

OK, thanks to amazing brilliance and sparkling personalities of the people here at linuxquestions.org, i've managed to get a rather neat, albeit little, server running slackware 10, apache, php, and mysql (go me).

now, i'm about to load some website creation software on my daughter's pc so she can learn to become a webpage creating monster....

I've heard the term "frontpage extensions", and will be looking up some more information on how to install fp2k extensions on the slack box,,,, mainly because i own (well, as much as you can "own" ms software) a copy of fp2k and fp98,,,

I also own Dreamweaver MX, and i'm thinking that may be the way to go to teach her to use dreamweaver (you are a little "closer to the code" with dreamweaver).

And i own a copy of a few other "oddball" little site design programs.

Aaaaaaaaanyway,,,,,,,,,

Any suggestions? anyone have any particular probs with dreamweaver or fp on slack10?

PS,
I can't put her on a linux box, she's a game freak and i really just don't have time to learn how to "wine" everything she wants to do.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated :D

Abandon Frontpage extensions. All they are is a collection of CGI applets that try to provide added functionality. In addition, they can allow remote administration/uploads of sites without using FTP.

Really, unless you're hellbent on using Frontpage, there's absolutely no reason to enable the extensions on your server. You can easily accomplish everything that FPX enable through PHP and MySQL, and those two products are a whole lot more secure.

Just create the webpage in PHP, and upload it through FTP. Or failing that, do the webpage editing/creation in PICO through SSH. You say that you're basically just starting out, so why not start out with something like PHP instead of frontpage?

That explains a lot
 

I'm actually used to using dreamweaver locally and ftp'ing to "appliances" (cobalt RAQ servers) located at remote, and sometimes local locations....

but, the whole reason why i came to linux was to learn how to "really" learn how the servers worked,,, now i'm addicted to learning linux (there needs to be a warning label on the cd's).

Anyway, this explains why sun hasn't updated frontpage extensions for the RAQ systems that i use in a long time... i didn't know there was such a security risk involved.... wow.

So, looks like i'm going with Dreamweaver MX on her machine and i'll teach her how to upload.

Sometime soon, i'll change her machine and put her in a dual boot Vector and win machine.

Thanks again for all the help.

Be Happy!

oh, she's running win. :o sorry. :D

All webpages should be made using vim. Anything else is for failures.

:eek:

:p



for her, i meant. :D

Wuss. Real men use ed.


Then again, I'm a complete pussy and usually use SciTE. :)
http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html
It's available for Win and Lin.

Alternatively, there's Crimson Editor
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
It's another free programmer's editor. This one's only for Windows, but it does the job pretty well.

I'd suggest using either of them, as they'll allow you to get right in there and actually work on the code directly. Familiarity with DreamWeaver is all well and good, but you won't really learn all that much about how websites are constructed, or about improving your coding skills.


g'luck.

I rather like Kate myself. Its text highlighting and tree collapsing of functions and things is quite handy. I love programming PHP in Kate.

SciTE does that, too, nama, and it doesn't require that you install KDE. :)

I do all my development in Bluefish under Linux, but that's of no help to you.

I'd recommend staying away from whatever Adobe is flogging these days. Pagemill was alright, but whatever the successor they put out was called sucked, bigtime.

For extremely rudimentary, beginning websites, you might just get her using Mozilla-- the composer isn't a bad program in general, and it's free.

Once she starts asking how to do more convoluted or interesting things, you can either migrate her to Dreamweaver or get her set up with a shell account and teach her how to use vi and get down to the nitty gritty.

You may want to try NVU: http://www.nvu.com/

I like quanta and bluefish, but I hate kde ;D

I prefer just Vi to do the job :cool:

And about FrontPage just hearing this name I get seek... if there is something I really hate is FrontPage. And I would never aprove such a thing like FrontPage Extensions (uncle bill never stops trying dominate the world with his all-bug-programs)

;D

Yeah if you don't wanna run kde(which you dont have to in order to use kate) then I can understand that. But kde's kioslave's is indispensable when working with remote files. Just open and use "fish://" and as long as the host is running ssh you can access it easily and securely. I suppose you could also use shfs but doing it on the fly is so much more convenient also. Plus shfs is quite buggy and it seems there isn't much going on with it anymore. Or at least he's really quiet about anything he's doing.

Been using it too, just for the "one-click" webpages though. Anyway, NVU is available for both linux and windows, so if you want to switch to linux completely you don't have a web-editor problem ;)