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Old 04-27-2014, 11:16 AM   #91
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But despite putting the exact output of the initrd.command-generator.sh thingy into the LILO config, I couldn't get it to boot with generic kernel- got an error message: "Can't access tty; job control turned off". (????)
You don't put that in your lilo.config, you use it to generate an initrd with the mkinitrd command.
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Although I don't see how LILO is supposed to read the initrd.gz file it is pointed to- isn't that some sort of zipped file?
It doesn't "read" the initrd.gz, it just loads it to RAM and tells the kernel where to find it.
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One more question: On installation, if I choose not to install the KDE environment (I'll never use KDE- it's bloated and dumbed-down...seems contrary to the Slack philosophy...) will things like K3b and the network manager and graphical log-in manager still be installed? Or does deselecting KDE installation mean that ALL "K" applications are not installed?
Calling KDE dumbed down is somewhat weird to me (and IMHO it isn't bloated), but anyways: Applications that need the kdelibs package or are in the KDE section (like k3b) will of course not work when the KDE section is not installed. Since you are new to Slackware it is strongly recommended to make a full installation to avoid dependency issues.
 
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:35 AM   #92
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Thanks, Hitest,

I did do a full install both times. 1st time (last week) everything worked O-K, except for the Crunchbang boot issue. Only this time I did have the above issues...... I don't know what went wrong. I did change the default run-level, too...... It was like a bunch of things just went seriously wrong this time around..... (I have the configuration instructions printed out, and follow them to the letter)
 
Old 04-28-2014, 12:13 PM   #93
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You don't put that in your lilo.config, you use it to generate an initrd with the mkinitrd command.
Soory- I guess I phrased that poorly. I meant that I put "Initrd = /boot/initrd.gz" into LILO.


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It doesn't "read" the initrd.gz, it just loads it to RAM and tells the kernel where to find it.
Ah! Now that makes sense. In the official configuration instructions, it actually says "too tell it where to look for it". I'm finding that the Slackware documentation is not always too precise- or maybe it's intended for people who are more advanced than I, and so just takes more liberties.....


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Calling KDE dumbed down is somewhat weird to me (and IMHO it isn't bloated),
It does seem that way to me- but I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. It sure looked nice though! But to my mind, when you click on the main menu, and are presented with circa only 3 items, and have click on tabs, or use a search box to get more...and everything seems simplified, and you have to take extra steps to get more options..... Well, maybe after you customize it....? It just seemed very "Windows-esque" to me- like it's designers are trying to simplify everythinjg, and keep it clean-looking; which to me, usually means having to go through more trouble to get at what you want. I just prefer a more direct "see all the options; get right to the bread and butter"-type of interface (Which is why I love Openbox...and you have to admit, that is prtetty much the diametric opposite of KDE). I can see the appeal of KDE though.



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but anyways: Applications that need the kdelibs package or are in the KDE section (like k3b) will of course not work when the KDE section is not installed.
That's what I thought- so I did install it, on both tries. (I like some of the KDE apps, like K3b- I even had K3B installed when I was using Ubuntu with Gnome...)



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Since you are new to Slackware it is strongly recommended to make a full installation to avoid dependency issues.
A lot of others have made that recommendation as well...and it is advice which I am definitely following.
 
Old 04-28-2014, 07:55 PM   #94
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Woo-hoo! Snagged me a Thinkpad on the Electronic-Bay....should be up and playing with Slackware again by next week!
 
Old 04-28-2014, 09:07 PM   #95
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Woo-hoo! Snagged me a Thinkpad on the Electronic-Bay....should be up and playing with Slackware again by next week!
Nice. Slackware will run very well on the unit.
 
Old 04-30-2014, 11:56 PM   #96
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Nice. Slackware will run very well on the unit.
Great! I'm looking forward to resuming my Slackware adventures!

Question for anyone who cares to answer: Is there any reason that I should install the "source code"? I mean, that is something I will never have use for in this lifetime; is there any reason that the system needs it; or is that one thing I can safely skip when doing a "full" install?
 
Old 05-01-2014, 01:12 AM   #97
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The only "source code" that will be installed in case of a full installation is that of the Linux kernel, shipped in the kernel-source packages. You'll need it if for instance if you want to compile third party kernel drivers, as those used by virtualization software, or proprietary graphics drivers.

Other than that you can safely leave alone all that's in the /source directory of any mirror (and that is not installed, even when you do a full installation) . You'll need that stuff only in case you want to re-compile yourself a Slackware package for some reason. If that happens you'll only need to grab the source code for that specific package (actually the source code provided by the upstream developers of the software in concern plus the material provided and used by Slackware to build that package).
 
Old 05-01-2014, 09:41 AM   #98
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Thanks, Daddio..err....Didier!

I get presented with the option of installing [I believe it is] the kernel source code when I do the install. Guess it is something that is necessary to have, then.

I can't wait to start playing with Slackware again! (My laptop should be here by dinner-time today)

For other Slackware newbs/wannabes (like myself):

I found this series of videos on Youtube, about configuring and using Slackware, to be invaluable, and a GREAT education!:


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...V-ewGztUxqouhn

(I wonder if it's author posts here? I'd sure like to thank him for such a great tutorial!!!!)
 
Old 05-02-2014, 12:29 AM   #99
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well, I got my laptop, and it's a good 'un!

Installed Slack, and am trying to get it configured......and now another new problem:

EDIT: Nevermind. I booted back into Slack, and for some reason, it worked this time.


I uncommented 1 mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors,

and then ran "slackpkg update gpg",


and then get a message saying something about "not able to resolve host <URL of chosen mirror>"

I popped in my AntiX live CD....and see that I have internet connectivity.....(DSL via ethernet )...so what gives? What's going on with Slackware? Had no problem with this on previous installs on the desktop 'puter. (And the laptop definitely has connectivity....)

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Old 05-02-2014, 12:53 AM   #100
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When asked during installation, how did you choose to configure your network: static IP, DHCP, loopback or Network Manager -- choose the latter for wireless and wired connections, prefer DHCP for wired connections only). You can run the "netconfig" utility as root to do that again. If you chose Network Manager, after that run the "nm-applet &" command as a regular user to put a connection widget on your tray.
Do you try to use a wired or wireless connection?
Which desktop or windows manager do you use?
 
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:00 AM   #101
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Sorry, Didier, our posts crossed.....I wasn't in time. I fixed it. (Well, I didn't do anything- it fixed itself....)

(Yes, did set up DCHP- wired connection. Fluxbox)

I think maybe my modem was a little slow in restarting the connection after I switched the wire from the desktop to the laptop.....

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Old 05-02-2014, 01:39 AM   #102
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In the future when having network issues, then please be sure to test it yourself first. This would avoid posting things to net and even more - waiting for answers.

To test the internet do the following:

check if you have the interface up and running and IP assigned using the command:
ifconfig -a

If it has, then next try to ping your router. You can figure out the router address from the output of the command:
netstat -rn

If the router responds, then try to ping some wellknown server like
ping www.google.com

If that works, it means that you generally have the internet. Now try to access your desired server. If that does not work, then it is outside your control. You can see what is happening using the traceroute command:
traceroute my.desired.server.ip

Hope this helps in the future. The first reaction to missing internet shall not be the post in the forums.
 
Old 05-02-2014, 02:37 AM   #103
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In the future when having network issues, then please be sure to test it yourself first. This would avoid posting things to net and even more - waiting for answers.

To test the internet do the following:

check if you have the interface up and running and IP assigned using the command:
ifconfig -a

If it has, then next try to ping your router. You can figure out the router address from the output of the command:
netstat -rn

If the router responds, then try to ping some wellknown server like
ping www.google.com

If that works, it means that you generally have the internet. Now try to access your desired server. If that does not work, then it is outside your control. You can see what is happening using the traceroute command:
traceroute my.desired.server.ip

Hope this helps in the future. The first reaction to missing internet shall not be the post in the forums.
Thanks for the useful info. I did try and solve it myself- I popped in the live CD and googled for answers...but didn't come up with anything helpful. Remember, I'm pretty much a newb at this- not at all familiar with Slackware; and am really just starting to use the CLI...so I really had no idea what to do, other than to check that I did indeed have internet connectivity, by running the live CD, and pinging google on that, and then using the browser.

(Hopefully this time around, I'll be more successfull at switching to a generic kernel.....luckily, there's a video tutorial on it- 'cause last time, even though I followed the instructions to a T, I couldn't get it.)
 
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Thanks for the useful info. I did try and solve it myself- I popped in the live CD and googled for answers...but didn't come up with anything helpful. Remember, I'm pretty much a newb at this- not at all familiar with Slackware; and am really just starting to use the CLI...so I really had no idea what to do, other than to check that I did indeed have internet connectivity, by running the live CD, and pinging google on that, and then using the browser.

(Hopefully this time around, I'll be more successfull at switching to a generic kernel.....luckily, there's a video tutorial on it- 'cause last time, even though I followed the instructions to a T, I couldn't get it.)
Let me try to get some specifix answers from you, since this thread is full of lengthy posts repeating partial information.

About your network.

What steps did you take when installing Slackware, to enable and configure your network? You can use NetworkManager, but then you have to make its startup script executable (by default is it not):
Code:
chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager
Or else there is the traditional way of configuring the network, by hand-editing /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf . When you install Slackware, this file is filled with the answers to the questions about your network and if you replied to those questions, you should not have to edit the file manually... unless you made a mistake.

So the question is: can you show us the output of these commands:
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ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager
cat /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf | grep -v "^ *#"
ifconfig -a
cat /etc/resolv.conf
route -n
That will give a clearer picture of your network configuration.

Eric
 
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Let me try to get some specifix answers from you, since this thread is full of lengthy posts repeating partial information.

About your network.

What steps did you take when installing Slackware, to enable and configure your network? You can use NetworkManager, but then you have to make its startup script executable (by default is it not):
Code:
chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager
Or else there is the traditional way of configuring the network, by hand-editing /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf . When you install Slackware, this file is filled with the answers to the questions about your network and if you replied to those questions, you should not have to edit the file manually... unless you made a mistake.
Alien Bob?! Holy schlemolian, I've elicited the attention of a real Slackware guru!

O-K, I did respond to the network questions in the installer; telling it to use DHCP, etc. In past installs, I never had a problem having a working connection when I'd go to do the "slackpkg update gpg". In retrospect, I really think what happened, is that I didn't allow sufficient time for my modem to reboot after having turned it off to switch the connection from my desktop to the laptop. By the time I inserted the live CD to test it, it had connected- so when I booted back into Slack, it was then working.

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So the question is: can you show us the output of these commands:
Code:
ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.networkmanager
cat /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf | grep -v "^ *#"
ifconfig -a
cat /etc/resolv.conf
route -n
That will give a clearer picture of your network configuration.

Eric
I guess that's kind of irrelevant now, now that it's working- but I'll play around with those commands next time I have the laptop connected- as knowing where to look if/when there is a problem in the future, will be a nice tool to add to my bag-O-tricks.

Thank you very much for the help/info. This is the kind of stuff that really helps me learn. Learning to troubleshoot and learning what "normal" looks like, are the real bread & butter- like when your car or lawnmower breakdown, and your first thoughts are: "Is it getting fuel? Is it getting spark: Is it getting air?"- I'll be comfortable [and a lot less of a pain-in-the-arse to everyone else ) when I can do the same with Linux.
 
  


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