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Old 09-24-2012, 11:28 AM   #16
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It saddens me, I was with Ubuntu since 2006 and in its time it had great promise....
Not really, it were still a modified Debian back then. With all of Debians well known shortcomings but it were still linux.
 
Old 09-24-2012, 11:37 AM   #17
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It saddens me, I was with Ubuntu since 2006 and in its time it had great promise.... not sure where it is headed now .
Since the Ubuntu folks decided to hide boot messages even on Ubuntu Server since 10.04 LTS, maybe they could go one step further and replace them with a handful of advertisement banners.

But seriously. One more reason to endorse no-bull Slackware.
 
Old 09-24-2012, 01:17 PM   #18
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It's weird that Cannonical believes that they have the power to pull something like this off. Market share in a product segment where everyone's solution is free seems like it would be more fragile than that.

If I were an Ubuntu user, I'd be gone before any ink dried on press from this.

Shuttleworth's quote: "Don’t trust us? Erm, we have root. You do trust us with your data already. You trust us not to screw up on your machine with every update."

What an ass. How could anyone who continues to use this guy's product after this not be a considered a sap?

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Old 09-24-2012, 01:37 PM   #19
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What an ass. How could anyone who continues to use this guy's product after this not be a considered a sap?
The bickering between linux distros reminds me a bit of the quarrel between the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front. Let's address the common enemy instead.
 
Old 09-24-2012, 01:43 PM   #20
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Wow! I think I'll write myself a new rule-of-thumb.

Politics, religion and Linux distros are taboo topics.

I appreciated everyone's comments. Especially about contributing to Slackware in a meaningful way.



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Old 09-24-2012, 02:14 PM   #21
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Today I read several articles and blog posts about the new Amazon feature. They are not ads or ad banners. They are Amazon search results.

I don't use Ubuntu, but if I correctly understand the Ubuntu search tool (Lens), search criteria can be limited in scope to the local machine only and the Amazon searches can be avoided as well.

Although possibly a tad more effort is required to avoid the Amazon searches in Ubuntu, fundamentally there is little technical difference from changing the search engine in Firefox from the default to Amazon. Seems the basic contention over this new feature is the proper way to implement --- opt-in vs. opt-out, separate search lens vs. integrated.

In all, after the kinks are resolved, I'm guessing more Ubuntu users than not will like the new feature.

I wonder what the response would be if Pat added a customized search engine to Firefox for the Slackware store? I'm guessing more Slackers than not would welcome the addition.

Let the Ubuntu community design their system the way they want.
 
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:59 PM   #22
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If slackware will be shipped with ads I will end my subscription. That's not a menace I just can't believe that someone can be so ill, Ubuntu has better to quit from being a GNU\Linux distribution because it's not more that by a while.
The very simplicity of Slackware Linux is its best defense against evil maintainers and any kind of malicious mismanagement that hurts the users. Slackware would be successfully forked 10 times before it ever ships with ads, because it would take 2 people per fork.
 
Old 09-24-2012, 03:35 PM   #23
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Today I read several articles and blog posts about the new Amazon feature. They are not ads or ad banners. They are Amazon search results.

I don't use Ubuntu, but if I correctly understand the Ubuntu search tool (Lens), search criteria can be limited in scope to the local machine only and the Amazon searches can be avoided as well.
And Cannonical would surely thank you for echoing their well-distributed-in-media position. What's interesting is this kind of talk:
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"We’re not putting ads in Ubuntu. We’re integrating online scope results into the home lens of the dash."
Whenever people say something like "I'm not <doing this well-known thing>, I'm <insert alternative terms here for the well-known thing and then define them as something else>" and then conveniently forget to include "and we generate revenues from doing it" on the end, it always means that they are in fact doing what they start by denying that they are doing.

They say that they aren't ads because Amazon doesn't pay for them to be there, but in fact Amazon pays Cannonical a consideration for purchases through these ads. To intentionally treat those two as significantly different when communicating a position to media is intellectually dishonest, to be kind.
 
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:12 PM   #24
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Let the Ubuntu community design their system the way they want.
The best comment I have read today. It is simple as that: Canonical is a commercial company. Of course they try to find ways to make money out of Ubuntu. I see nothing wrong with that. If someone doesn't like it, there is a simple solution: Just don't use Ubuntu.
 
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:43 PM   #25
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They say that they aren't ads because Amazon doesn't pay for them to be there, but in fact Amazon pays Cannonical a consideration for purchases through these ads. To intentionally treat those two as significantly different when communicating a position to media is intellectually dishonest, to be kind.
And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:20 PM   #26
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Looks like Slackware is going to become my Linux of Choice now for myself and customer needs.

If Slackware ever includes ads.... it means Patrick is dead and someone else has taken over.

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Old 09-25-2012, 09:25 AM   #27
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Love these jewels that are given at login;
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My no longer cherished,
Need we say it was not love,
Just because it perished?
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As to ads, never happen here on a true PV & Team Slackware Release. Maybe for some forks, no telling what you get then.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 10:19 AM   #28
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Let the Ubuntu community design their system the way they want.
The best comment I have read today. It is simple as that: Canonical is a commercial company. Of course they try to find ways to make money out of Ubuntu. I see nothing wrong with that. If someone doesn't like it, there is a simple solution: Just don't use Ubuntu.
Except the "ubuntu community" don't really have a say in the matter now do they...?
 
Old 09-25-2012, 10:34 AM   #29
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Except the "ubuntu community" don't really have a say in the matter now do they...?
They have the say that any Linux user has: if you don't like the way your distribution goes either fork it or move on to a different distro. Since that will have direct impact on Canonical's revenue (less users means less money with Ubuntu One services or sells at Amazon) they have a say.
 
Old 09-26-2012, 09:23 AM   #30
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Only slightly off-topic
When I was "lurking" (browsing without signing in) on LQ earlier, there was an advert: "Date 10000 Asian Women". TEN THOUSAND??? At my age??? Be lucky if I could manage half-a-dozen!
 
  


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