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Old 10-01-2006, 04:31 PM   #1
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Tv Out on Nvidia Ti200 and Slackware Current 180906


Hi all!

I am sure this have been asked a million times before, cuz I have found many threads about this, but I still have not figured out how to get it working, so now was hoping that some of you aut there could help..

Not sure if I should start in Slack or Linux Hardware, but here it is..

I have an Nvidia Ti200 AGP, it has an crt, svideo and dvi output. Today I am using my 17" xerox flatpanel on the dvi.

I want to have the possibility to play movies on the tv on the svideo output of the card.

Here is my xorg.conf, so if anyone please could give me some advice on how to edit it to make it output movies (I do not need to have all of the screen here, but if I need to clone to get it work, that would be fine, but the main goal is to output movies to the tv, overlay or what it is called in windows)

Hope anyone can help.. Also if there is a lot of unneeded text here, feel free to remove it and post an text that I can save to an new xorg.conf.

Code:
# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  (buildmeister@builder3)  Tue Aug  1 21:11:12 PDT 2006

# File generated by xorgconfig.
#
# Copyright 2004 The X.Org Foundation
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
# copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
# to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
# the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense,
# and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
# Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
# 
# The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
# all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
# 
# THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
# FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  IN NO EVENT SHALL
# The X.Org Foundation BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
# WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF
# OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
# SOFTWARE.
# 
# Except as contained in this notice, the name of The X.Org Foundation shall
# not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other
# dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from
# The X.Org Foundation.
#
# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the xorg.conf(5x) man page for details about the format of 
# this file.
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Module section -- this  section  is used to specify
# which dynamically loadable modules to load.
# **********************************************************************
#
# **********************************************************************
# Files section.  This allows default font and rgb paths to be set
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Server flags section.
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Input devices
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Core keyboard's InputDevice section
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Core Pointer's InputDevice section
# **********************************************************************
# **********************************************************************
# Other input device sections 
# this is optional and is required only if you
# are using extended input devices.  This is for example only.  Refer
# to the xorg.conf man page for a description of the options.
# **********************************************************************
#
# Section "InputDevice" 
#    Identifier  "Mouse2"
#    Driver      "mouse"
#    Option      "Protocol"      "MouseMan"
#    Option      "Device"        "/dev/mouse2"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "spaceball"
#    Driver     "magellan"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/cua0"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "spaceball2"
#    Driver     "spaceorb"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/cua0"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "touchscreen0"
#    Driver     "microtouch"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/ttyS0"
#    Option     "MinX"          "1412"
#    Option     "MaxX"          "15184"
#    Option     "MinY"          "15372"
#    Option     "MaxY"          "1230"
#    Option     "ScreenNumber"  "0"
#    Option     "ReportingMode" "Scaled"
#    Option     "ButtonNumber"  "1"
#    Option     "SendCoreEvents"
# EndSection
#
# Section "InputDevice"
#    Identifier "touchscreen1"
#    Driver     "elo2300"
#    Option     "Device"        "/dev/ttyS0"
#    Option     "MinX"          "231"
#    Option     "MaxX"          "3868"
#    Option     "MinY"          "3858"
#    Option     "MaxY"          "272"
#    Option     "ScreenNumber"  "0"
#    Option     "ReportingMode" "Scaled"
#    Option     "ButtonThreshold"       "17"
#    Option     "ButtonNumber"  "1"
#    Option     "SendCoreEvents"
# EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of monitor sections may be present
# **********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of graphics device sections may be present
# Standard VGA Device:
# Device configured by xorgconfig:
# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
# **********************************************************************
# ServerLayout sections.
# **********************************************************************
# Any number of ServerLayout sections may be present.  Each describes
# the way multiple screens are organised.  A specific ServerLayout
# section may be specified from the X server command line with the
# "-layout" option.  In the absence of this, the first section is used.
# When now ServerLayout section is present, the first Screen section
# is used alone.
# Section "DRI"
#    Mode 0666
# EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"

# The Identifier line must be present
# Each Screen line specifies a Screen section name, and optionally
# the relative position of other screens.  The four names after
# primary screen name are the screens to the top, bottom, left and right
# of the primary screen.  In this example, screen 2 is located to the
# right of screen 1.
# Each InputDevice line specifies an InputDevice section name and
# optionally some options to specify the way the device is to be
# used.  Those options include "CorePointer", "CoreKeyboard" and
# "SendCoreEvents".
    Identifier     "Simple Layout"
    Screen         "Screen 1" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"

# The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db").  There is normally
# no need to change the default.
# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
# 
# 
# The module search path.  The default path is shown here.
#    ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
    RgbPath         "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath        "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/"
EndSection

Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.
# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.
# This loads the font modules
# This loads the GLX module
#    Load       "dri"
    Load           "dbe"  	# Double buffer extension
    SubSection     "extmod"
        Option         "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
    EndSubSection
    Load           "type1"
#    Load        "speedo"
    Load           "freetype"
#    Load        "xtt"
    Load           "glx"
# This loads the DRI module
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# For most OSs the protocol can be omitted (it defaults to "Standard").
# When using XQUEUE (only for SVR3 and SVR4, but not Solaris),
# uncomment the following line.
#    Option     "Protocol"      "Xqueue"
#    Option	"Xleds"      "1 2 3"
#    Option "LeftAlt"     "Meta"
#    Option "RightAlt"    "ModeShift"
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#    Option "XkbModel"    "pc105"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#    Option "XkbModel"    "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "de"
# or:
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "de"
#    Option "XkbVariant"  "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#    Option "XkbOptions"  "ctrl:swapcaps"
# These are the default XKB settings for Xorg
#    Option "XkbRules"    "xorg"
#    Option "XkbModel"    "pc105"
#    Option "XkbLayout"   "us"
#    Option "XkbVariant"  ""
#    Option "XkbOptions"  ""
#    Option "XkbDisable"
    Identifier     "Keyboard1"
    Driver         "kbd"
    Option         "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
    Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
    Option         "XkbModel" "pc104"
    Option         "XkbLayout" "no"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver
# the following line.
#    Option "Protocol"	"Xqueue"
# Mouse-speed setting for PS/2 mouse.
#    Option "Resolution"	"256"
# Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice. In
# almost every case these lines should be omitted.
#    Option "BaudRate"	"9600"
#    Option "SampleRate"	"150"
# Mouse wheel mapping.  Default is to map vertical wheel to buttons 4 & 5,
# horizontal wheel to buttons 6 & 7.   Change if your mouse has more than
# 3 buttons and you need to map the wheel to different button ids to avoid
# conflicts.
# Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms)
    Identifier     "Mouse1"
    Driver         "mouse"
    Option         "Protocol" "PS/2"	# PS/2 Mouse
    Option         "Device" "/dev/mouse"
# When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment
    Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button mice
    Option         "Emulate3Buttons"
#    Option "Emulate3Timeout"    "50"
# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice
#    Option "ChordMiddle"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"

# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
#    HorizSync	30-64         # multisync
#    HorizSync	31.5, 35.2    # multiple fixed sync frequencies
#    HorizSync	15-25, 30-50  # multiple ranges of sync frequencies
# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
    Identifier     "skjerm"
    HorizSync       31.5 - 82.0
    VertRefresh     40.0 - 150.0
EndSection

Section "Device"

# The chipset line is optional in most cases.  It can be used to override
# the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified.
#    Chipset	"generic"
# The Driver line must be present.  When using run-time loadable driver
# modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver
# module.  Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line
# indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section.
# The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices
# this section is intended for.  When this line isn't present, a device
# section can only match up with the primary video device.  For PCI
# devices a line like the following could be used.  This line should not
# normally be included unless there is more than one video device
# intalled.
#    BusID      "PCI:0:10:0"
#    VideoRam	256
#    Clocks	25.2 28.3
    Identifier     "Standard VGA"
    Driver         "vga"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    BoardName      "Unknown"
EndSection

Section "Device"

    #VideoRam    65536
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
    Identifier     "skjermkort"
    Driver         "nvidia"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier     "Screen 1"
    Device         "skjermkort"
    Monitor        "skjerm"
    DefaultDepth    24
    SubSection     "Display"
        Viewport    0 0
        Depth       8
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Viewport    0 0
        Depth       16
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
    SubSection     "Display"
        Viewport    0 0
        Depth       24
        Modes      "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection
EndSection
 
Old 10-02-2006, 03:58 AM   #2
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The word you seek is "twinview" ! Using the nvidia drivers it's (typically) Twinview that gets you output on more than one device.

Code:
Section "Device"
    #VideoRam    65536
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
    Identifier     "skjermkort"
    Driver         "nvidia"
EndSection
I see you're using the nvidia driver, so that's good.

Appendix G Configure Twinview of the nvidia driver readme:
http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/L...ppendix-g.html

The next section is called "Configuring TV Out"

Alternatively you can try to use nvidia's xorg-config program,instructions found here: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/L...hapter-03.html

I could tell you exactly what to do, but no guarentee my advice would work. Following the instructions, however, gives a much higher chance of success =)
- Piete.
 
Old 10-02-2006, 05:33 AM   #3
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Hi! Thanks for an reply.

But I have read these files before and I cant seem to understand it.

Where to add the TwinView option, wich modelines, how to figure out where to put it.

If you could give me an example I think I from there could be able to understand more of it and maybe from there could convert it to my own config / needs.

So, if you could give me an example that would be nice!
 
Old 10-02-2006, 09:12 AM   #4
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Code:
Section "Device"

# The chipset line is optional in most cases.  It can be used to override
# the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified.
#    Chipset	"generic"
# The Driver line must be present.  When using run-time loadable driver
# modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver
# module.  Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line
# indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section.
# The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices
# this section is intended for.  When this line isn't present, a device
# section can only match up with the primary video device.  For PCI
# devices a line like the following could be used.  This line should not
# normally be included unless there is more than one video device
# intalled.
#    BusID      "PCI:0:10:0"
#    VideoRam	256
#    Clocks	25.2 28.3
    Identifier     "Standard VGA"
    Driver         "vga"
    VendorName     "Unknown"
    BoardName      "Unknown"
EndSection

Section "Device"

    #VideoRam    65536
    # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
    Identifier     "skjermkort"
    Driver         "nvidia"
EndSection
I'm sorry... maybe this is a dumb question but still... shouldn't you have only one "Device" section ? And that should be the one with the "nvidia" driver and delete the above with "vga" driver ?
 
Old 10-02-2006, 12:24 PM   #5
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No, not an dumb question at all.. I have wondered the same myself, but have not dared to remove / edit anything, last time I tried to edit an xorg.conf I messed it all up.. Know about taking backup and all that, but I was hoping someone could tell me what to add..

Espesially modelines I do not get..

Could not some of you out there who know what you are doing remove all the uneeded text in this?
 
Old 10-03-2006, 05:28 AM   #6
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http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_d..._1.0-8774.html

Nvidia have a configuration tool, nvidia-xconfig, that's supposed to make this stuff easier (I've never used it, I must say ... ): http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/n...fig-1.0.tar.gz

If you read the readme, it's all in there about where to put things. I will briefly cover it, but if you follow my instructions and it doesn't work, don't say I didn't warn you

First, define both monitors:

Code:
Section "Monitor"
        Identifier  "TFT"
        HorizSync   31.5 - 81.0
        VertRefresh 40-72
        Option          "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier      "TFT1"
        HorizSync       31.5 - 81.0
        VertRefresh     40-72
        Option          "DPMS"
EndSection
Then, define the dual head driver:

Code:
Section "Device"
        Identifier      "Card[0]"
        Driver          "nvidia"

        # **************** #
        # TwinView Options #
        # **************** #

        Option  "TwinView"
        Option  "TwinViewOrientation"           "RightOf"
        Option  "MetaModes"                     "1280x1024,1280x1024"
        Option  "ConnectedMonitor"              "CRT,CRT"
        Option  "SecondMonitorHorizSync"        "31.5 - 81.0"
        Option  "SecondMonitorVertRefresh"      "40-72"
        
        # NvAGP / agpgart:
        # 0: Disable AGP
        # 1: Use NvAGP
        # 2: Use agpgart
        # 3: try agpgart, then NvAGP
        Option "NvAGP" "3"

        Option "NoLogo" "true"
        # Option "HWCursor" "true"
        # Option "CursorShadow"  "true"

        # VendorName    "nVidia Corporation"
        # BoardName     "NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x]"
        # BusID         "AGP:1:0:0"
EndSection
Now I define some dual headed screens (I don't think the second one is necessary any more):

Code:
Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen[0]"
    Device      "Card[0]"
    Monitor     "TFT"
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection

EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier  "Screen[0]"
    Device      "Card[0]"
    Monitor     "TFT1"
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
EndSection
And finally put it all together:

Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier  "Simple Layout"
    Screen "Screen[0]"
    InputDevice "IntelliMouse" "CorePointer"
    InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection
Large sections are missing from the examples above, because, my config file is full of comments and single head screens!

There's no problem have more than one of each section in the config file - just be aware of where they link.
- Piete.
 
Old 10-03-2006, 02:50 PM   #7
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Thanks, have not tried yet, but from the names you have called TFT & TFT1, and pointed to CRT,CRT so do this mean that this will use the two "screen" output, not the dvi and tv? Because the card has analog crt, svideo tv and dvi.. Maybe the card is broke, should I not get an image on the tv when I start the machine? Got that on an other machine with slack current 180906, ati card and that gives me an picture on the screen when I start the machine and an clone inside slack, but the aticard is not properly configured (driver) so watching movies is not possible yet!
 
Old 10-03-2006, 04:26 PM   #8
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Ah, my apologies, I should have explained my situation ...

The config file you're seing is for my desk set up - two identical TFT monitors plugged into an nVidia 6600GT. Both monitors use dsub (they're a bit old now!) not DVI, and (as stated in the readme) they're designated "CRT" because they don't use DVI.

The way TwinView works is that it can output two outputs, in any combination of DVI / SVideo / CRT, so you just need to plug the right things in the right places.

I have a working config for TV out (SVideo) and CRT (dsub) on an MX4000 that I use as a media box downstairs, so I can attest that reading the docs gets things working!

When you boot the machine, in theory, you should be able to see the POST on both screens. Assuming the Ti200 has that capability at all ... it's quite an old card, no?
 
Old 10-04-2006, 01:45 AM   #9
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Yes, it is an old card. But because it has these ports I would find it strange if it should not work. But if it should display from post I do not know. Maybe I will put the card into an win machine and see if the card works there. If I need to install drivers to get both outputs there.

By the way, an GeForce MX440 is an newer card, maybe I will try that, have one laying around.. But, is it possible to just insert this card without installing drivers and configuring X all over again? They both are nvidia cards.

And also regarding the config shown here, what resolution do I need to send to the tv? 800x600 would be fine? 60hz? What about horizontal and vertical refresh? Any values that have to work on the tv, so I know thats not the problem? It is an old radionette tv, 28", if that have something to say.
 
Old 10-04-2006, 02:07 AM   #10
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But because it has these ports I would find it strange if it should not work.
I would too, but because it has ports doesn't mean their wired up correctly to use them symultaneously.

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Maybe I will put the card into an win machine and see if the card works there.
You should get cloning on POST, which won't matter what OS your box has. If you do NOT get cloning on POST, then I would advise looking into a new card.

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is it possible to just insert this card [MX440] without installing drivers
Yes! Linux will let you do that, and be happy =)

For TV resolution I would start with 640x480 and go from there, just try the default values of refresh and see what happens. I'm afraid I can't advise you on modelines (although this: http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/f...2rgb/calc.html might help) or really help with the actual values for your TV, you'll just have to experiment.

I don't recommend trying it under Windows, because the Linux drivers do not necessary replicate the functionality of the Windows drivers.
 
Old 10-04-2006, 03:31 AM   #11
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Thanks again!

Then I will try to change card when I get back from work. I'll be back in about 7 - 8 hours I think!
 
Old 10-05-2006, 02:11 PM   #12
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Ok! Here I am again. Have tried different cards, two that do not work, but with an gf5700 I get an picture on the tv on post and during boot. But when X starts the tv do not get an signal. The strange thing here was that I needed to boot the computer without any screen, just the tv, then I could connect the screen, reboot and ever since I've had output to the tv, so now I am thinking that maybe this had worked on an another card also.. But now it comes to the config of xorg.conf..

What do I put in first?

By the way, I started an another computer with slack current 180906 and an aticard, and that gave me image on the tv without configuring anything, super!
 
Old 10-05-2006, 04:26 PM   #13
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WOOOHOOO!!

Now it is working. Did not clone but starts with an output on an "left" screen = tv 800x600. Still have right resolution on flatscreen.. Now I can drag an xine playing video to the left "onto" the tv, then press "f" and bang! Fullscreen video on tv and an free desktop on the flatpanel for using to other programs at the same time!

Can post my xorg.conf if someone is interested!
 
Old 04-13-2007, 03:12 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by fdahl_009
WOOOHOOO!!



Can post my xorg.conf if someone is interested!
Can You, Im rying to set somethin up now and would liek tosee how you did it
 
  


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