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Old 10-26-2010, 10:14 PM   #31
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OK. This time I removed the existing KDE 3.5.10 before installing the set of pre-built packages and had the same stellar lack of success.

I'm clearly doing something wrong. I wondered if order mattered, so I installed kdebase first in this attempt, but that didn't matter.

I did both installs in an essentially clean 12.2 install as a virtual machine.

So, I'm officially confused.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 03:27 AM   #32
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My Trinity complains about missing 'kpersonalizer'. I suspect it is an application responsible for startup settings. Moreover my trinity don't see some libraries eg. konqueror compalined about
missing 'kio_http'. But this library is in a place.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 03:44 PM   #33
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Woodsman,

I've been playing around with Trinity over the last few days. I have both built my own and used the provided binaries, but I still have the "empty menu" problem. Also, when I click on the desktop icons, there doesn't appear to be an application associated with them. I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'll continue to investigate the problem.

I tried building Trinity for both 13.1 and Current, and I'm stuck trying to build dbus-qt3. It fails to build. I'm looking to see if I can find a patch, but have not been successful so far.

I still prefer the KDE-3.5 series, and I'm glad to see that the Trinity project is trying to keep it alive. I'll try to test things out as best as I can.

Thanks for your hard work!
 
Old 10-27-2010, 05:03 PM   #34
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UPDATE...

Ok, so I reverted back to the 3.5.10 series. Then, I used the patched packages provided for 3.5.10 from Woodsman site. I removed the .kde directory, so I was starting from scratch. I got the exact same behavior (missing entries on the kde menu). So, it has to be the way kdebase and kdelibs are being built. I'll keep troubleshooting though.

Second update...

I deleted everything .kde in my home directory and now everything works fine with the patched 3.5.10. I'll have to get a virtual 12.2 slackware going to test things out a little better.

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Old 10-27-2010, 06:19 PM   #35
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I've been playing around with Trinity over the last few days. I have both built my own and used the provided binaries, but I still have the "empty menu" problem. Also, when I click on the desktop icons, there doesn't appear to be an application associated with them. I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'll continue to investigate the problem.
This is exactly the behaviour I'm getting on my virtual machine. I also tried creating a new user with a completely empty home directory and got the same thing.

I also had to edit the xinitrc file to have startkde.new after running xwmconfig.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 06:33 PM   #36
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This is exactly the behaviour I'm getting on my virtual machine. I also tried creating a new user with a completely empty home directory and got the same thing.

I also had to edit the xinitrc file to have startkde.new after running xwmconfig.
Also, startkde.new has to be changed. And to build kdebidings, I had to install jdk. I'll take a closer look at the arguments being passed by SlackBuild. I'll compared them to Slackware's original one.

The applications are there. I was able to launch konqueror from the command line. So, it appears that the applications are not being linked somehow. Did you try starting TDE as root just to see? That's something that I forgot to do.

I'm in the process of installing Slackware12.2 on Virtualbox. Will try to build it there and troubleshoot it better.

For those interested in installing on the 13 series and beyond, dbus-qt3 just flat out refuses to build. I'm not sure if this is due to the newer gcc. Has anyone had success with post 13.0?
 
Old 10-27-2010, 07:43 PM   #37
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Well, a clean installation of Slackware 12.2 in Virtualbox without KDE, still had the same problem. No menu entries and applications not associated with the desktop icons. I started TDE as root, just to be sure. I'm stumped! :^/
 
Old 10-27-2010, 08:36 PM   #38
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Well, a clean installation of Slackware 12.2 in Virtualbox without KDE, still had the same problem. No menu entries and applications not associated with the desktop icons. I started TDE as root, just to be sure. I'm stumped! :^/
Thanks for confirming I'm not a complete idiot. You are getting exactly the same results as me. Mine is a clean 12.2 install in VirtualBox.
 
Old 10-27-2010, 09:14 PM   #39
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I don't know if this will provide any clues or not. In my virtual machine I decided to see if it mattered if kde was started via typing startx after a CLI login or if I logged in using kdm. So, I went into runlevel 4 with kde as the default. When I tried to log in, I was immediately returned to the log in screen. If I switched the DM to xfce, I could log in no problem and kde apps show up in the xfce menus.
 
Old 10-28-2010, 02:52 AM   #40
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I am curious about /opt directory. As it is planned to run both KDE's one must be located
under /opt. I will try to install Trinity in /opt.
 
Old 10-28-2010, 03:32 AM   #41
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I'm thinking that the problem lies with either kdebase or kdelibs.
 
Old 10-28-2010, 04:28 AM   #42
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You know, I think I might have figured it out. The kdebase.SlackBuild file will create, by default crucial files with*.new. For example, startkde.new and xinitrc.kde.new. What I failed to realize is that there is also kde.sh.new which gets installed in /etc/profile.d/. Just like the other file, kde.sh.new needs to be installed without the *.new in order for it to work. This may explain the missing menu items as this files sources /etc/kde/xdg which contains the baseline kde menu items. The same goes for kde.csh.new. Now, I'm not at home right now, so I can't test this out. Anyone willing to try this out?

I'll report my findings when I get home later.
 
Old 10-28-2010, 04:33 AM   #43
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Same goes for the KDM problem. Change /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc.new to /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc. That should do it!

Oh,and the same goes for backgroundrc.new which is also located in /usr/share/config/kdm/. Those are the only files that I could find.

Last edited by stormtracknole; 10-28-2010 at 04:36 AM. Reason: Added additional info
 
Old 10-28-2010, 08:40 AM   #44
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Same goes for the KDM problem. Change /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc.new to /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc. That should do it!

Oh,and the same goes for backgroundrc.new which is also located in /usr/share/config/kdm/. Those are the only files that I could find.
I ran "find /usr /etc -name \*kd\*.new" to find them all. FYI, the kdmrc.new (and backgroundrc.new) was in /etc/kde/kdm

Once I moved the .new files into their proper names, I had a working KDE.

Nice find!
 
Old 10-28-2010, 08:54 AM   #45
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I've noticed one strange thing. If I try to start a root session in Konsole, it rejects my password. I can still use su to become root with no trouble. I normally use sudo, but haven't set it up on the virtual machine.
 
  


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