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Old 02-18-2014, 02:16 PM   #46
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Eric and Robby's repositories have dozens of prebuilt packages that consist mostly of the same source packages found on SlackBuilds.org, and those repositories have been public for quite some time. The LFS books can even be used for packages not normally found on Robby or Eric's sites or even SlackBuilds using simply ./configure --prefix=/usr for compiles. You can even graft slapt-get and gslapt as well as the repositories used by Slacky, SalixOS, and other Slackware derived project sites.

I'm sorry but your story doesn't make a lot of sense into since everything about these projects and repositories have been public for years now. Even a long time Slackware user would know about these.

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Old 02-18-2014, 02:36 PM   #47
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@vdemuth Best of luck, been there, tried swapping, found the automatic thing was great for awhile until it got fubared, no doubt to my doing something ill advised. Hopefully you'll have better luck. Mint is very nice too and also seemed zippier than SUSE.

As far as being a true slacker:
IMO, you are in fact a true slacker for slacking off this way and using another distro.
 
Old 02-18-2014, 03:00 PM   #48
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I'm sorry but your story doesn't make a lot of sense into since everything about these projects and repositories have been public for years now. Even a long time Slackware user would know about these.
I'm not sure what to make of this comment. Are you suggesting he is lying?

Just let the guy go, as I recall you also made a statement here about leaving Slackware behind and nobody pressed you to justify your decision and then insisted it made no sense.

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I have graduated from Slackware to the higher realms of LinuxFromScratch
 
Old 02-18-2014, 03:02 PM   #49
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Mint is very nice too and also seemed zippier than SUSE
Was that an intentional Zypper pun?
 
Old 02-18-2014, 03:23 PM   #50
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I'm not sure what to make of this comment. Are you suggesting he is lying?
Well, the public "headline" is that the OP is leaving slackware, when in fact it is not true - as he said - all his servers are still running slackware - he is merely changing his desktop distro to a distro owned by a corporation owned by hedge funds etc.

And the specific example given by him for changing distros, as Reaper and others have explained, doesn't really hold water.

I am just annoyed at this public statement at a time when Slackware has been under pressure externally in the media and internally because of spammers who, like bitcoin spammers, have been confusing people about systemd claiming that Slackware - and Unix !!! - is "old fashioned" whereas 1970s IBM style monolithic system design is modern and cool. Even using terms such as "bitrot" here on slackware without anyone laughing their head off at such gobbledygook

If I change my distro, I'll do it quietly, without slamming the door and making headlines of it. - I would owe that at least to you all, especially in these agressive and predatory times.
 
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:31 PM   #51
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I recently installed a copy of Fedora after basically ignoring all other distros for about 10 years. Initially I was impressed by the automatic turnkey nature of it all and polished feel but I was vastly disappointed when I ran into my first "error." I quickly saw that Fedora has built an advanced operating system on Linux that was true to their own philosophy, not really UNIX-like in nature. I felt that I would have to learn how Fedora (aka Redhat) "works" to fix my system. It was also noticably slower out of the box. However, I think it's mostly what Distro you become familiar with but, for me, Slackware makes a lot of sense. It doesn't over complicate things and keeps them in their most basic form -- and I respect that. Often time in people's effort to blaze the cutting edge they forget how elegant simplicity can be.
 
Old 02-18-2014, 03:32 PM   #52
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Using LFS is a setup to maintaining your own distribution in a way, but I have not forsaken Slackware for any reason. LFS is a pet project I'm working on. I also use FreeBSD 10 as well. What claim I made is entirely a different subject in the matter. To me being able to understand LFS is a step-up into better understanding core fundamentals of how simplicity works best, and the same aspects from Slackware translate into LFS very well. I'd dare to say unless you can understand the Slackware concepts, you aren't ready to try out LFS.
 
Old 02-18-2014, 05:02 PM   #53
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Using LFS is a setup to maintaining your own distribution in a way, but I have not forsaken Slackware for any reason. LFS is a pet project I'm working on. I also use FreeBSD 10 as well. What claim I made is entirely a different subject in the matter. To me being able to understand LFS is a step-up into better understanding core fundamentals of how simplicity works best, and the same aspects from Slackware translate into LFS very well. I'd dare to say unless you can understand the Slackware concepts, you aren't ready to try out LFS.
I am trying to set my own distro with LFS but I don't think I am skilled enough to maintain it.
 
Old 02-19-2014, 02:54 AM   #54
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I just don't understand why he chose Slackware to begin with, only to bitch and moan for 10 years about one of it's unique features. It's like having your "mouth all set" for one of those tropical rum umbrella foo foo drinks and then at the last second ordering a double-shot of 151 proof rum and complaining that "it burned when it went down". It was a bad choice... just odd it took him 10 years to admit it.

At least he went to a distro that offers the options upon install of choosing between bootloaders and where they install, and amazingly enough (especially on a "systemd" build) has the option to boot to Multi User Commandline by default. He very well could like Suse and probably should have gome with a distro like that 10 years ago, but he does have a point that some distros have gotten considerably better in the last 5 years at resolving dpendencie. They surely do have some oddball dependency algorithms though, especially for uninstalls. How the hell removing GPhoto (I think it was) required removing "vim" I don't understand. But I digress...

OR - (and no flames meant) some people are never happy or never happy unless they are complaining, perhaps it makes them feel "above it". I don't know. Either that or he just got tired of waking up to sheets covered in pipe ashes. (I think he smokes other distros and it's a full time job!)

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Old 02-19-2014, 03:06 AM   #55
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Actually Enorbet you bring up a valid point. Why use it for 10 years with knowing full well that building extra software is normally required only to complain now? Plus with knowing distributions like SalixOS exist based on Slackware with dependency resolution, and 3rd party up-to-date repositories exist for extra stuff, it brings me to call this as someone trying to force unneeded change into Slackware and turn people against it if changes aren't made.

Sorry but I'm not buying into this FUD if indeed this is what it is.

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Old 02-19-2014, 03:17 AM   #56
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@ enorbert & ReaperX7

Might I suggest you 2 get a room, stop being so bloody insulting to someone you know nothing about. If it turns out I've made a mistake, then I'll be back, at which time you can insult me all you like, but for now, GROW UP!
 
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:19 AM   #57
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:42 AM   #58
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I just don't understand why he chose Slackware to begin with, only to bitch and moan for 10 years about one of it's unique features.
Tell me, is manual dependency handling the only feature you like about Slackware? Are there no other reasons to like Slackware??

Here is a thought, perhaps he kept Slackware around for one of those other reasons.

It should be possible to like a product and still think it could be improved, only mindless fanboi's never question anything.
 
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:48 AM   #59
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Well, the public "headline" is that the OP is leaving slackware, when in fact it is not true
Sorry are we talking about vdemuth's post or ReaperX7's leaving thread now? Hard to tell since they both announced they were leaving Slackware, only to retain some machine(s) running it.

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And the specific example given by him for changing distros, as Reaper and others have explained, doesn't really hold water.
It doesn't for you and it doesn't for me but it does for him and that is all that matters.
 
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:26 AM   #60
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I sometimes find the Slackware community to be astonishing. Sometimes because it mostly consists of very knowledgeable persons that are always willing to help, sometimes because it surprises how entitled some members feel to judge about others.
Really guys, what is wrong? The only person in this thread that should feel entitled to tell vdemuth if his decision to change the distro is the right one and the only person in this thread that he needs to approve his reasons for it is vdemuth himself.
Some of you really sound like "How dare he to leave Slackware, and even without me thinking his reasons are valid!"
I can assure you, his reasons are valid, at least for him, and that is all what counts. Maybe he will come back, maybe not, but only he can decide that.

Here we have a classical case why some people call the Slackware users zealots: A fellow Slacker wants to say goodbye to Slackware, at least for desktop use, and some people just try to hunt him down on that. I am disappointed and to a part even ashamed.

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