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Old 02-02-2012, 07:21 AM   #16
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http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-In...O/anatomy.html ... The first couple of sentences explain the origins of the terminology. Z/Z
In the link you provided-

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what DOS/Windows people call "RAM" and Unix people often call "core"; the Unix term is a folk memory from when RAM consisted of ferrite-core donuts
Dont use core when you mean 'RAM'. That term is now used for 'multipule processors on a single die' (eg, 'my phenom II X6 has 6 cores!). I havent heard anyone say 'core' when they mean 'RAM' since the 1980s.

Magnetic core memory went out in the mid 1970s, so using 'core' when you mean 'RAM' will just lead to confusion....and if/when you have to explain yourself, you'll look a bit of a dill unless you are a greybeard who used the term 'core' in the 1950s-1970s. Even then it would be seen as 'willfully silly' in almost all cases.
 
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:33 AM   #17
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Computer English and every language on the planet are rife with synonyms. I did not mislead ... I just said it was the traditional designation/terminology/noun/word/etc... even the purest statement can be misinterpreted and often is. Ram as you may be aware is a reference to a battering ram or a goat and probably many other things... if you wish to be disambiguous you can use the terminology of Random Access Memory to prevent confusion and add clarity.

In all honesty I have a lot of research to do with regards to computing and Linux so I don't intent to prolong this discussion into a needless flame war. Z/Z
 
Old 02-02-2012, 07:35 AM   #18
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I havent heard anyone say 'core' when they mean 'RAM' since the 1980s.
Except when talking about core dumps.
 
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:41 AM   #19
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What about in Star Trek when they dump the warp core to prevent destroying the starship... seriously... I am not flaming... just kidding around Z/Z
 
Old 02-02-2012, 08:00 AM   #20
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Thanks. Live'n learn.
 
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:02 AM   #21
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How about on Apple computers. Would they call it a core?
 
Old 02-02-2012, 08:19 AM   #22
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I am formally disassociating myself from this thread because I smell sulfur Z/Z
 
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Old 02-03-2012, 03:27 AM   #23
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In all honesty I have a lot of research to do with regards to computing and Linux so I don't intent to prolong this discussion into a needless flame war. Z/Z
Then the rest of your post was redundant. Or something else I wont name for now.

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Computer English and every language on the planet are rife with synonyms. I did not mislead ... I just said it was the traditional designation/terminology/noun/word/etc... even the purest statement can be misinterpreted and often is. Ram as you may be aware is a reference to a battering ram or a goat and probably many other things... if you wish to be disambiguous you can use the terminology of Random Access Memory to prevent confusion and add clarity.
Where did I say you were 'misleading'? I didnt. Neither did anybody else on this thread.

Post #1, you 'think' that linux users call RAM core. Post #9 you have "RAM (Windows terminology) slash Core (Traditional Unix terminology)". So what changed between posts?

Just because you found one unix guide (written in 1998!) where they mention that some unix people might say 'core' does not meant that 'core' is correct....and the rest of the sentance ("the Unix term is a folk memory from when RAM consisted of ferrite-core donuts") tells you that using 'core' is not current. You can dance around terminology and semantics all you want. Nobody says 'I'm going to upgrade my core', they say 'I'm going to upgrade my RAM'. You can even point out that many words in english have multipule meanings, almost everyone can figure out which RAM was meant just from capitalisation, and context should make it totally clear.

If 'core' was current, and/or correct it would be mentioned in some of the current, offical Unix guides. Its not, apart from little titbits like in ther guide you linked to.

Using a non-standard term for a standard part of computing isnt going to make your life any eiaser, or your posts more easily read by the technically or non-technically inclined. IMO many users would be more confused by 'Random Access Memory' than by 'RAM'. Not because 'Random Access Memory' isnt the same as 'RAM', its because they always see the term 'RAM', and changing terms makes things more confusing.

No need to make things more confusing for everybody with 'core'.

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How about on Apple computers. Would they call it a core?
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Except when talking about core dumps.
Core dump, memory dump, storage dump, even just dump. If you dont know about magnetic core memory, 'core dump' could just be the term picked at semi-random.

The modern memory dump is a bit different to a unix memory dump from 'back in the day', when you would get a 'hex dump' paper printout.....
 
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Too many openings and your stance is not clearly defined (eg: saying you are going to upgrade your RAM is misleading because all RAM slots are not the same so I could not ,for example, upgrade from Rambus to DDR3)... not a fight worth fighting because the energy expended in doing so would NOT be justified IMHO.

A-Game people... precision and accuracy vs carpet bombing. AND probably worst of all is that the only thing I learned from the "attack" is that you are a poor fighter which by extension reflects poorly on me. Z/Z

Edit: I was not banned from all those forums because I was a poor fighter. I was banned because I was a really good one. There are two types of people... the ones who resent strenght and those that admire it... lots of people resent strenght including weaklings. Z/Z

Edit 2: Well played... I had forgotten that I had declared I would disassociate with this thread in post #22... I fell on my own sword but defeat is still defeat. Z/Z

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Old 02-03-2012, 05:20 AM   #25
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Too many openings and your stance is not clearly defined (eg: saying you are going to upgrade your RAM is misleading because all RAM slots are not the same so I could not ,for example, upgrade from Rambus to DDR3)... not a fight worth fighting because the energy expended in doing so would NOT be justified IMHO.
LOL. Because there are different types of RAM, you think that using a different term is a better idea? 'Core' is even less defined than 'RAM', using it the way you seem to want to.

My stance is VERY clear- dont use 'core' when you mean 'RAM'. Simple.

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Edit: I was not banned from all those forums because I was a poor fighter. I was banned because I was a really good one. There are two types of people... the ones who resent strenght and those that admire it... lots of people resent strenght including weaklings. Z/Z
Ohh, this is a fight, is it?

No wonder you've been banned from lots of forums. The whole point of a forum is the exchange of ideas and methods. Not 'fighting'.

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Old 02-03-2012, 05:27 AM   #26
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Kindly reference edit #2 in post #24... I cannot continue to fight in a thread where I have conceded defeat. Z/Z
 
Old 02-03-2012, 05:47 AM   #27
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LinuxNoobX,

How about reading this article on Wikipedia (especially the history section): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory

And another which clearly shows how the term "core" is used nowadays: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor

Nobody's fighting with you, people are simply pointing out the mistakes (they're trying to help, you know). You should be thankful for that.
 
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:05 AM   #28
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Not being omniscient it is entirely possibly I could misinterpret a helpful gesture as a hostile one. I cannot comment on aspects of the other posts because I have already conceded defeat in this thread.

I can say that my world and the world I was brought up in is populated by unenlightened individuals who mistake resources and power for authority. Authority is not given it is acknowledged but since that is not so in my world then trust is a very dangerous option and "assuming" people will not try to kill you will get you killed. If you think I am exaggerating then I envy you.

But your post does not exhibit hostility or blatant disrespect so I will view the links you took the time to post. Z/Z
 
Old 02-03-2012, 12:49 PM   #29
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http://www.hark.com/clips/mhkvzcqrvh...to-communicate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

Got to keep humor in this.

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Old 02-03-2012, 01:23 PM   #30
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. Been a while since I saw that movie. I promised I would not continue further argument in this thread. In the 2nd clip you see a tyrant abusing his authority and connections to beat a man down which is the opposite of my intent. In general I engage in healthy word play to both hone my mental and verbal skills and in the process hopefully help my opponent to do the same thing.

Hackers are an elite group of very talented and driven individuals forced at times to defend their ideas and ideals to those in authoritative positions ( such as a project supervisor ). Telling your boss you need to reroute the Heisenburg compensators through the flux capacitor or the probability generator is going to cascade will have little effect on a boss who's daddy bought his degree for him.

Being able to convince your boss that your position is the most advantageous one will save you from doing tedious projects and possibly save your company from eventual ruin. This is just an example of how proficiency with argument skills can be advantageous. But obviously not all will share this viewpoint and if I ever offend anyone then you can ask me to discontinue fighting and I will comply. I have no desire to pick on anyone for spite. Z/Z
 
  


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