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Old 01-18-2011, 09:26 AM   #676
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Greetz
No worries. I have yet to see a compelling (or compiling) reason to install 64bit Slackware (sorry Eric ). I've tested many distros including 64bit (couple Slamd64 versions, too) and for me the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Presently there are just too many apps that are 32 bit that I depend on and I'm "gun shy" of multi-lib. With a custom kernel set tickless, 1000Hz, low-latency, Athlon64, and PAE @4GB there is less complexity AFAIK and any performance gains seem marginal.
From the other side of the fence :-)

I had switched to Slamd64 during Slackware 12.2 because I could not deal with 32 bit anymore. I do Java development and system administration for a living and I was always hitting RAM limitations with 32 bit. The extra 64 bit speed was nice but, more importantly, the real hardware limitations meant that I would have had to switch off of Slackware. Thank goodness for Slamd64! Eric saved my rear end by creating Slamd64 and the Slackware 64 bit port.

Having said that, I also get a little annoyed with the extra work required to set up multilib. It's a requirement if you use Skype, Wine, and a few other programs. I use both Skype and Wine all the time.

I just want to thank the people (especially Eric Hameleers) who worked on making 64 bit Slackware a reality. I also want to thank him for the continued multilib support. Without it, the die hard Slackers would be in for a much harder time. I do wish the installation procedure was more automated. Even a third Slackware distribution disk to support Multilib would be appreciated :-D

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Old 01-18-2011, 11:28 PM   #677
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From the other side of the fence :-)
<snip> I do Java development and system administration for a living and I was always hitting RAM limitations with 32 bit.
Greetz. It is not my position that 64bit version development was/is not needed. IN order for it to grow and evolve you have to start early. So I too greatly appreciate Eric Hameleer's dedication and work. However I'd like to know if there is some kind of problem using PAE with Java development? I've read that the 64GB setting can be a bit buggy on some 32bit machines and some 32bit software but I know the 4GB setting works fine. This isn't enough ram?
 
Old 01-19-2011, 12:22 AM   #678
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4GB setting works fine. This isn't enough ram?
Hell no! I have 8 GB on this machine, a laptop, and 10 GB on my desktop. And yeah, I use it. For the type of work I do, 8 GB is a minimum. I have several hundred GB databases, app servers running in debug, with IDEs running. Then I have Windows XP running in a VM to test Internet Explorer. Then if you install, run and/or use SQL Developer, a SOAP client and possibly something like Oracle Fusion, you end up chewing up RAM in a hurry. This is a typical services development environment for massive server-side Java systems.

I was recently doing development on a system with 16 GB of RAM, 8 2.2 GHz cores, 8 RAID 10 disk array, and I ran out of resources all the time in development. But production was deployed on 14 application servers and a database server with 64 GB of RAM.

It all depends on what you are doing, but for me, I need a lot or I can't do my work.

I don't use PAE myself and I wasn't commenting on that. 64 bit is essential when you are addressing a lot of RAM because 32 bit requires multiple levels of paging. This slows RAM access enormously and increases the need to purchase even more hardware! So not having 64 bit is a deal killer.

Another reason for 64 bit is the Java Virtual machine. We commonly would allocate 4 GB of RAM or even more in some cases for one application server instance. The JVM on 32 bit is limited to 2 GB or even less on the Windows platform if you use that. Sometimes, to process large amounts of data, you have to have the hardware to back it up or it's not possible to complete the task.

Yet another reason to go 64 bit is the free 20% to 40% increase in performance for doing absolutely nothing besides running a 64 bit system.

As far as bugs and such because of multilib systems, I'd have to agree. You run into things now and then. And if 32 bit means less headaches, then that's what you should run. I agree with that thinking. For me, it's not an option anymore. I just can't do my work on the 32 bit architecture.

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Old 01-19-2011, 08:36 AM   #679
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Hell no! I have 8 GB on this machine, a laptop, and 10 GB on my desktop. And yeah, I use it. For the type of work I do, 8 GB is a minimum. I have several hundred GB databases, app servers running in debug, with IDEs running. Then I have Windows XP running in a VM to test Internet Explorer. Then if you install, run and/or use SQL Developer, a SOAP client and possibly something like Oracle Fusion, you end up chewing up RAM in a hurry. This is a typical services development environment for massive server-side Java systems.

I was recently doing development on a system with 16 GB of RAM, 8 2.2 GHz cores, 8 RAID 10 disk array, and I ran out of resources all the time in development. But production was deployed on 14 application servers and a database server with 64 GB of RAM.

It all depends on what you are doing, but for me, I need a lot or I can't do my work.

I don't use PAE myself and I wasn't commenting on that. 64 bit is essential when you are addressing a lot of RAM because 32 bit requires multiple levels of paging. This slows RAM access enormously and increases the need to purchase even more hardware! So not having 64 bit is a deal killer.

Another reason for 64 bit is the Java Virtual machine. We commonly would allocate 4 GB of RAM or even more in some cases for one application server instance. The JVM on 32 bit is limited to 2 GB or even less on the Windows platform if you use that. Sometimes, to process large amounts of data, you have to have the hardware to back it up or it's not possible to complete the task.

Yet another reason to go 64 bit is the free 20% to 40% increase in performance for doing absolutely nothing besides running a 64 bit system.

As far as bugs and such because of multilib systems, I'd have to agree. You run into things now and then. And if 32 bit means less headaches, then that's what you should run. I agree with that thinking. For me, it's not an option anymore. I just can't do my work on the 32 bit architecture.
Thank you, meetscot, that was an eye-opener and a timeframe check. About eight years ago I worked on a lady's SOHO production machine who did web development and illustration work who complained it was slow. She was running Win2K with what seemed a lot of ram 8 years ago, 2GB. I made the mistake of creating a dedicated swap partition at the beginning of her fastest hdd and limited it to a fixed size of 1GB to stop the constant polling. She hit a wall. I finally had to increase it to 2GB to accommodate her usage which, like you, required many parallel (and intensive) apps open, if obviously on a whole other level.

I grew up on OS/2 which at one time was the fastest Java environment and while I never did much development in Java (I did Rexx and gcc), the most ram I had/have (yes, I still have WSeB 4.5 on a dedicated 64bit CPU box) is 2GB, so I had no idea either that people run so many intensive parallel apps with such huge databases as you do. I suppose it also ruined my perspective being aware that apparently eight (8) PS3s, each with only 512MB, constitute a sort of mini super computer capable of weather modelling and calculating gravity waves around black holes. Your post helped put that in perspective since that sort of work is so floating-point oriented.

The best perspective of all is knowing that there are very serious people out there doing highly skilled and mainstream commercial work that realize and employ the value of Slackware and that not only is Slackware capable of such work, it apparently is an essential key component. Kudos!
 
Old 01-19-2011, 09:34 AM   #680
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I should add something else interesting too. I did builds for this project with a single core Pentium 4 with 256MB of RAM! The software itself was extremely light-weight and relatively small even though it was a distributed services type of system. It has about 2,300 source code files and the other system (not mine) had around 6,000 files. But the memory foot print for my stuff was really small. It was the data sizes and tooling that required all the power. To deploy and run all the separate systems was the reason why so much hardware was needed.

The system scaled linearly, it had to. It was one of the coolest projects I've ever had the opportunity to design. Write something that rocks from scratch! It was a lot of fun.
 
Old 01-21-2011, 12:55 AM   #681
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Nice boot animation

Here's a shot from my new colorful boot animation with slackware orb of the 2.6.37-zen0 kernel.
I'm quite pleased with it since now my laptop only displays bios screen followed by two lines of text from lilo before launching into intel-kms with this nice logo. I'm using colored boot scripts from salix on slack-current, lazy as i am.
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Old 01-25-2011, 03:59 PM   #682
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My very own Slack desktop
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:13 PM   #683
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Ya know what the problem is with a thread like this? Slackware's packages are so vanilla (a fact for which I am grateful) that my Slackware desktop isn't really any different than it would be with any other OS. I'm running Slackware64 -current with alien's KDE 4.6 packages on my laptop, and Arch with KDE 4.6 from the kde-unstable repo on my desktop box. With the exception of screen dimensions, the two DEs are indistinguishable.
 
Old 01-25-2011, 04:15 PM   #684
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Ya know what the problem is with a thread like this? Slackware's packages are so vanilla (a fact for which I am grateful) that my Slackware desktop isn't really any different than it would be with any other OS. I'm running Slackware64 -current with alien's KDE 4.6 packages on my laptop, and Arch with KDE 4.6 from the kde-unstable repo on my desktop box. With the exception of screen dimensions, the two DEs are indistinguishable.
This thread is more for people who have put some effort in customising their environment. I do follow it as sometimes you can find some interesting desktop solutions here.
 
Old 01-25-2011, 04:22 PM   #685
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http://slike.hr/slike/54pm_30d46.png.html
http://slike.hr/slike/16pm_d268f.png.html

Slackware + awesome-wm

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:24 PM   #686
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You might want to enlarge it *a bit* LOL
 
Old 01-26-2011, 03:05 AM   #687
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You might want to enlarge it *a bit* LOL
sorry,my bad.i postet a forum thumbnail.so here is my slackware with awesome wm and zenburn
http://slike.hr/slike/54pm_c65f0.png.html
http://slike.hr/slike/16pm_05f02.png.html

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Old 01-26-2011, 04:52 AM   #688
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My Slackware current with xfce )
http://storage7.static.itmages.ru/i/...375f095657.png
 
Old 01-26-2011, 05:37 AM   #689
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this is nice.i like it.
 
Old 01-26-2011, 12:54 PM   #690
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finally got openbox running the way I want it


music player, xchat, wxcam.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1518/openbox11.png

photoshop
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file manager and terminal
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7832/openbox17.png

weather pipemenu
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