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Old 06-06-2004, 08:22 AM   #16
Frank_Drebin
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Dude, how is pointing out that Swaret isn't an official Slackware package enforcing my purist views..... Dude, you are free to use any app you want...... Did I say the questioner couldn't use it? Don't think so. If anything there seems to be a group of zealots that think swaret is the answer to every question. And the comment about exotic hardware.... well reread most of the posts about the swaret problems, don't think exotic hardware is the problem. I simply wanted to answer his question honestly. Apparently an honest answer isn't acceptable to some. Apt-get is an official Debian tool, unlike swaret's relationship to Slackware.
The guy asked a question, you knew what he wanted yet you went on with some drivel about official and not. Someone reading only your post would get the idea that there was no good way to upgrade Slackware. Looks like you were writing to see yourself write.
 
Old 06-06-2004, 08:58 AM   #17
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Originally posted by At0mic_PC
But not well. Did you see the plethora of people complaining that it broke gnome? And why did it break gnome? Because it works? I think not...
I had issues with gnome after upgrading via swaret. After running a simple search on this forum, my problem was promptly solved.
 
Old 06-06-2004, 09:51 AM   #18
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Quote:
Originally posted by Frank_Drebin
The guy asked a question, you knew what he wanted yet you went on with some drivel about official and not. Someone reading only your post would get the idea that there was no good way to upgrade Slackware. Looks like you were writing to see yourself write.
And I don't want the guy screwing up his system with a third party app, and saying Slackware Sucks because an individual such as yourself has told him that Swaret is part of Slackware. That is all. If someone asks can Slackware run Windows apps on it. The answer is no. But there are apps that may make that possible. That still doesn't change the answer.
 
Old 06-06-2004, 04:47 PM   #19
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I don't get why people keep pushing thier swaret views on everyone. No one wants to use that POJunk app.
 
Old 06-06-2004, 07:11 PM   #20
alim
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Some personal experience using swaret

I use swaret to keep my desktop machine up with slackware-current because I am too lazy to do everything manually. I haven't tried any others so can't comment on superiority. That's not why I'm posting.

If you want to sync with patches for the -stable (i.e. currently 9.1) tree, then swaret will not break your system unless you add new repositories that have unofficial packages in them. Just make double sure and run a lilo (if you use lilo) after a kernel update. In this instance, install swaret and customise /etc/swaret.conf as you see fit (don't add new repositories) then to update, run:
Code:
# swaret --update && swaret --upgrade -a
# lilo
Just doing this for the -stable branch should be fine, because packages are more or less static (none removed/added) after release.
If you want to sync to -current, you must realise the tree is having packages added and removed on a near daily basis. What this means is that more recent package builds may rely on newly added dependencies, which you will need to add yourself. What I do is check http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 for the word 'added' on any packages since my last update. For example on Jun 02 rzip was added. I don't know if any scripts on new packages will rely on that package, so I added it. Take these steps:
Code:
# swaret --update
# swaret --install rzip
# swaret --install xyz other new-packages
# swaret --upgrade -a
# lilo
Another thing many people probably forget is to replace scripts and config files that have updated.
Let's say samba gets updated and the config file layout has changed. If you upgrade to the latest version, swaret will not overwrite your precious smb.conf but will put a new file in called smb.conf.new. This probably confused some people when it updated from 2.x to 3.x a while back because some flags changed a little and lazy people (like me) don't like having to reconfigure everything again.
Anyway, if you have not customised a config file or script then you can just rename smb.conf.new to smb.conf.
To find these sort of files after an --upgrade, check here:
Code:
# ls /etc/*new
# ls /etc/rc.d/*new
# ls /etc/*/*new
and rename them like this (for example):
Code:
# cd /etc/rc.d
# mv -iv rc.S.new rc.S
# cd /next/directory/with/.new/files
# mv -iv whatever.new whatever
Obviously make sure you really haven't updated those files yourself or something might not work (but that doesn't mean it's broken )

Hope that helps
 
Old 07-11-2004, 10:29 AM   #21
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ninja Cow
I had issues with gnome after upgrading via swaret. After running a simple search on this forum, my problem was promptly solved.
Rob, why don't you take a minute and upgrade your sig? Since your change, this
link is no longer valid and gives a 404. I was pointing folks to it, because you had
some good HOW-TOs at one time in the past...
 
Old 07-11-2004, 12:02 PM   #22
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Ringwraith, perhaps it would be more accurate that Slackware does not officially support such an application but that there are 3d party applications that are available and supported by the developers.

To say that Slackware does not have a program similar to apt-get is untrue as is the fact that you can not run Windows programs on Slack. There are programs, swaret (though I do not understand why it is popular) slackpkg, and slaptget are the three examples I know of. No they are not supported by Patrick V. but they are supported by the developers. Simlarly winex/transgaming/codeweavers is available to run Windows programs, again just not supported by Patrick V. directly.

Patrick V. has stated in the past why he does not support a program like swaret and I understand and agree with it, but not all users do. (I rsync the Slack tree and update manually with some help from custom bash scripts.)

EDIT: Just a thought saying slackware does not have an apt-get like program is like saying Windows does not have an alternative browser to IE or that Windows does not run games since they do not come with a windows install and are not supported my MS.

Last edited by Mephisto; 07-11-2004 at 03:08 PM.
 
Old 07-11-2004, 12:57 PM   #23
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I use swaret with success. Have there been problems? I used it considerably in 9.1 and now in 10.0. There have only been a handful of updates to 10, but they successfully installed.

The commands I use are:
swaret --update
swaret --upgrade -a

this checks for updates and does them. I did not add any outside sources.

Last edited by kmoffat; 07-11-2004 at 12:58 PM.
 
Old 07-11-2004, 06:01 PM   #24
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HmmMmm Though this was a help forum. Leave all the fighting N Stuff Fer window users? LONG LIVE SLACKWARE!!!!!!! P.S. Ive used Swaret N slackpkg Both werked fine for me.

Last edited by Navaboy; 07-11-2004 at 06:08 PM.
 
Old 07-11-2004, 06:08 PM   #25
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Somebody use slackpkg ? It has not the ability to upgrade all packages installed at a time, but can do :
- upgrade a package by indicate its name
- search for a term (ex libhandle.a) and show which package provide it and if the package is installed or not and if the package is installed, it will indicate if a new version of this package is avaible.
 
Old 07-12-2004, 02:18 AM   #26
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http://slackpkg.sourceforge.net
Read the man pages of, ldd, which, find and locate.
Slackpkg is a rather nice tool.

/jenso
 
  


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