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Old 04-01-2017, 01:16 AM   #16
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Never mind me. I was questioning your approach. Carry on.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 01:59 AM   #17
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About the "violation of forum rules" - I asked about the use of non-English
All are silent, apparently, did not break anything!
 
Old 04-01-2017, 02:49 AM   #18
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All member-created content should be in English. This allows our moderators to ensure all content complies with all LQ rules. In addition, we recommend you avoid sms/l33t speak in the technical fora. Avoiding sms/l33t speak will improve question clarity and increase the chance of receiving a helpful response.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/rules.html

If you could find someone to translate the Russian text also at SF, it would be great. This way, you project will gain more attention. Thanks for your work!

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Old 04-01-2017, 04:54 AM   #19
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@sunjob, consider this as an recommendation (and a strong one at that), but as You stated, it isn't a broken rule, just an non recommended behavior.

Further, do keep up with the good job, but try hard get an translator versed at least in basic English?
 
Old 04-01-2017, 10:24 AM   #20
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I can help to translate from Russian into English. Clearly translation into 'house' is not correct it should be replaced by 'home' - home directory. My advise is to create /opt directory with all necessary sub-directories structure, and install TDE under /opt.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 11:25 AM   #21
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Since when is russian the language of this forum? Translate into english before posting please, or else don't bother posting the content and stick to just a URL pointing to that README.
Sorry, but it was very rude of you! The OP is doing well trying to bring to Slackware working TDE installation. He is here to find help. Let me remind you that this is the place all issues concerning Slackware are discussed. This information you can find on www.slackware.com. The OP is physicist, not IT engineer, so you can think of OP as hobbyist spending its free time to enhance our experience as Slackware users. So, stay calm or can express this in more eloquent way. Not everyone is fascinated by this total crap called KDE4 or 5 or whatever. Actually Russians treat their language in the same way as Americans: they think that there is no need to learn any other language than theirs own.

Please, AlienBob accept my apologies, you are doing great work, I am stupid ass and quick-(ill)-tempered person, I first kick then think, about KDE4-5 being crap - clearly it is my private opinion and in modest language I could say it is not well-designed desktop, and I can argue that. So yet again, I'm really sorry. I hope you will accept my apologies. My best wishes, Piotr.

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Old 04-01-2017, 11:54 AM   #22
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These are my first attempts to translate the OP posts.
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Originally Posted by sunjob View Post
CAREFULLY READ / TRANSLATE what is written in README
on Rus
//
// bin
//

add/bin.tar.xz
- мои скрипты, скидываем содержимое в дом. каталог ~/bin (каталог надо добавить в PATH)
- для убоства и простоты написания я использую заменители installpkg/updatepkg/removepkg

My translation is

- My scripts, are located in $HOME/bin (directory should be added to PATH)
- for the convenience, I use aliases for installpkg/updatepkg/removepkg

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Old 04-01-2017, 01:44 PM   #23
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### UPDATE - cut from README on Russian ###

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Trinity TDE-R14.0.4 for Slackware-14.2 x64 сборка от русских физиков

Ноги, крылья Главное хвост!

описание сборки, установка, virtualBox имидж, настройка в текстовом файле

tag: slackware tde trintiy desktop

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Let say this is something like that, my comments are marked by # (as in bash scripts)
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Trinity TDE for Slackware by Russian physicists
Legs, Wings - but the first - tail! # kind of saying

description of packages, setup, virtualBox image, installation in text file


Quote:
2017.01.18
- сборка на стоковой Slackware-14.2 x64
- TDE14.0.4_SL14.2_x64
Reads as
- packages for Slackware-14.2 x64

Quote:
2017.01.21 - UPDATE
- добавлены/собраны kpowersave + hal, для работы kpowersave - служба hal должна быть запущена, т.е /etc/rc.d/rc.hal - должен иметь соотв. биты на запуск
- hal-зависимые пакеты вынесены в отдельный каталог "4.hal", по умолчанию не устанавливаются скриптом "tde_all_install.sh", если нужно - установка отдельным скриптом "4.hal.sh"
- для kpowersave есть нативная замена tdepowersave (не требуещий HAL), поэтому HAL-пакеты ставить УЖЕ НЕ НУЖНО
Reads as
- added kpowersave + hal, for kpowersave to work - hal have to be running, ie /etc/rc.d/rc.hal needs to be executable
- hal-dependent packages are collected together in directory "4.hal", by default this is not installed by "tde_all_install.sh", if needed - installation is done by executing "4.hal.sh"
- there is native replacement for kpowersave - tdepowersave (does not require HAL), so there is no need to install HAL-packages
Quote:
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

setup to void system - последовательность установки и настроек на "нулевой" машине

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Means
setup to void system - order of installation and setup on "void" machine

Quote:
//
// 0. предварительная установка инструментария/скриптов
//

- скачиваем add.*/add.txz
- распаковываем содержимое "bin.*" в дом. bin-каталог (~/bin, $HOME/bin etc...)
- проверяем что каталог присутствует в переменной PATH
$ echo $PATH | grep $HOME/bin
- если путь отсутствует в переменной PATH, провим/добавляем в пользовательские настройки ( ~/.bash_profile или ~/.bashrc):
PATH=$HOME/bin:${PATH}
Reads as
//
// preparation setup of tools/scripts
//

- download add.*/add.txz # I am not quite sure about this, russian word used can be technical term,
- extract contents "bin.*" in ~/bin directory
- verify that directory is in PATH variable
$ echo $PATH | grep $HOME/bin
- if there is no path in variable PATH, add into bash local config file (~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc):
PATH=$HOME/bin:${PATH}

Quote:
далее будут доступны необходимые команды/скрипты, использующиеся далее в скриптах установки (да и вообще, упрощающие жизнь и работу в ком. строке, при написании пользовательских скриптов):
- check_slack_ver.sh
- pkg
- pkgfile
- pkgls
- pkgrm
- pkgup
- update_cache.sh
- font_cache_update.sh
Reads as

commands/scripts necessary, used by install scripts (also for general use in terminal, or creating users scripts)
- check_slack_ver.sh
- pkg
- pkgfile
- pkgls
- pkgrm
- pkgup
- update_cache.sh
- font_cache_update.sh


Quote:
//
// 1. установка всех пакетов TDE
//
Reads as

//
// installation all TDE packages
//

Quote:
install script TDE:
$ ./tde_all_install.sh
Quote:
//
// 2. отключение ненужных сервисов
//
Reads as
//
// Stoping services # not clear for me these services are not needed or there is conflict
//

Quote:
cd /etc/rc.d/
sudo chmod 644 rc.avahidaemon rc.avahidnsconfd rc.postgresql rc.tor rc.wireless
sudo chmod 755 rc.networkmanager rc.consolekit
cd -
# So due to OP avahi, postgres, wireless, should be stopped but why tor? This seems to be senseless.
# Maybe I am paranoic but this makes me suspicious, maybe these packages is malware?
# So run it in secure network environment, watch network activity, and post if you will find something unusual

Quote:
//
// 3. настроить/отключить ненужные приложения в автозагрузке
//
Yet again technical term. I try my best

//
// enable/disable optional applets in autostart
//

Quote:
cd /etc/autostart/1.tde

(я оставил только самые нужные) # inline translation: 'I set only necessary'

kdbusnotification-autostart.desktop
kdesktop.desktop
klipper.desktop
kmix.desktop
konqy_preload.desktop
panel.desktop
restore_kmix_volumes.desktop
tdenetworkmanager.desktop
Quote:
/etc/autostart/ * - в остальных каталогах настраиваем/оставляем по необходимости
(для использования только TDE - в остальных каталогах автозагрузки отрубил все)
Reads
/etc/autostart/* in other directories we setup what is needed
(for using only TDE - I deleted everything in other directories)

Quote:
//
// 4. inittab - default runlevel
//

/etc/inittab
id:4:initdefault:
Quote:
//
// 5. reboot
//

sudo /sbin/reboot

после перезагрузки проверяем, что KDM нормально видит TDE-сессию (она присутствует в списке сессий)

sudo init 4 // --> KDM start OK
Reads

After reboot we verify that there is an option for TDE-session in KDM (is present in the session list)

Quote:
//
// 6. редактируем/заменяем rc.4, настраиваем запуск TDM (вместо KDM)
//
Reads
//
// edit/replace rc.4, we setup TDM (in place of KDM)
//

Quote:
cd /etc/rc.d/
mv rc.4 rc.4.old
ln -s rc.4.new rc.4

sudo init 3 && sudo init 4 // --> TDM start OK
Quote:
в новом rc.4 - есть настройка DM по умолчанию (если надо) # in new rc.4 - there is default setup

TDE=${TDE:-/opt/trinity}
DM=${DM:-tdm}
#DM=${DM:-xdm}
#DM=${DM:-kdm}

короче, смотрим, что надо/ненадо оставляем/удаляем # in short, needed/no needed leave/remove
This is the first part the next will come soon (excuse me it is tea time)
 
Old 04-01-2017, 01:49 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by igadoter View Post
Sorry, but it was very rude of you! The OP is doing well trying to bring to Slackware working TDE installation. He is here to find help. Let me remind you that this is the place all issues concerning Slackware are discussed. This information you can find on www.slackware.com. The OP is physicist, not IT engineer, so you can think of OP as hobbyist spending its free time to enhance our experience as Slackware users. So, stay calm or can express this in more eloquent way. Not everyone is fascinated by this total crap called KDE4 or 5 or whatever. Actually Russians treat their language in the same way as Americans: they think that there is no need to learn any other language than theirs own.
It may have not been the most polite method, but the forum rules do state that all posts should be in English. Rules are rules. There are many international members who do not use English as their primary language, yet they still post in English. Alien Bob is from the Netherlands, and he uses English just like everyone else.

But I'm glad that this project has somebody behind it. Hopefully there can be some translations so more people will be able to use it.
 
Old 04-01-2017, 03:05 PM   #25
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Alien Bob is from the Netherlands, and he uses English just like everyone else.
For my knowledge Alien Bob is professional. In his job English is a must. I think that question of language has roots in the history of this forum. Maybe it is time to move on and start to think about posts in other languages. Why not? Rules are rules, but they are not something which cannot be changed.
 
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Old 04-01-2017, 05:23 PM   #26
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For my knowledge Alien Bob is professional. In his job English is a must. I think that question of language has roots in the history of this forum. Maybe it is time to move on and start to think about posts in other languages. Why not? Rules are rules, but they are not something which cannot be changed.
Well, this is something you'd have to take up with the forum administration. It is not a Slackware forum. It is a forum whose administration allows Slackware to have a subforum for users to provide other users support.

But even if it was the Slackware forum, keep in mind that Slackware itself does not much extra to have i18n or l10n support beyond what programs already provide (the Slackware installer and utilities all lack support for non-English languages).
 
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Maybe it is time to move on and start to think about posts in other languages. Why not? Rules are rules, but they are not something which cannot be changed.
This is a Linux Questions web site with a rule that its discussions are in the english language. If you want to discuss things in another language (russian, ukranian, polish, portuguese, etc) then I am sure there are other places for that. Ask for a sub-forum here on LQ, dedicated to a specific language, if you want. But I will not use google translate to try and grasp the meaning of someone who is not willing (or able) to communicate in this forum's language. Language is a real, existing barrier. Google translate is nothing more and nothing less than replacing that barrier with a swamp. It is not going to help anyone.
 
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Old 04-02-2017, 05:42 AM   #28
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Language is a real, existing barrier.
People willing to cooperate trying to remove barriers and obstacles. Your attitude is simple xenophobic. I my joke that if the Western World won't start to learn Russian then it will be defeated in the next coming war. There is great misunderstanding what actually Russia is or what is not. Maybe if you will have such knowledge possible you will be more willing to cooperate with OP. It is always good to learn something new.

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Old 04-02-2017, 06:20 AM   #29
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igadoter,

alienbob made a valid point, although not in the nicest way. Let's not bring this discussion any further.
 
Old 04-03-2017, 06:49 AM   #30
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Here is the next part of translation

Quote:
//
// 7. user interface/settings
//


стартуем TDE, настройки шрифта/алиас/сглаживания - на скришоте
fonts/fonts_set.jpg
//
// user interface/settings
//

start TDE, installation font/aliasing/anti-aliasing - on screenshot
fonts/fonts_set.jpg

Quote:
//
// дополнительно KDEnLive (для посмотреть чёдакак)
//

cd ./KDEnLive.x64
./kdenlive.sh

не проверял работу, есть проблема, kdenlive - упрямо не видит
libdv, не смотря на то, что она установлена в системе, дотошно разбираться не
было времени... пользуем "как есть" или - ну его нафих

p.s.
буду признателен, если специалисты помогут разобраться "почему не видится libdv"

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Reads as

//
// additionally KDEnLive (to see the attic (or loft)) # rather idiomatic, the meaning is not direct
//

cd ./KDEnLive.x64
./kdenlive.sh

not tested, if errors appear, kdenlive - is not seeing
libdev, even if already installed, there was no time
looking at details, use "as it is" - # word нафих is widely used on russian websites, but I have no idea what it means

p.s.
I will be grateful, if specialists will help me to find why "libdev is not seen" # instead of specialists you can say'gurus'

Quote:
//
//
// !!! ВНИМАНИЕ !!!
//
//

сборка/проверка/настройка TDE производилась в vbox на стоковой slackware-14.2 x64

http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
http://www.slackware.com/torrents/sl...ll-dvd.torrent
slackware-14.2-x64.iso
//
// !!! ATTENTION !!!
//
packaging/tests/installatio TDE where done in vbox on top of Slackware-14.2 x64

http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
http://www.slackware.com/torrents/sl...ll-dvd.torrent
slackware-14.2-x64.iso

Quote:
в систему интегрированы/заменены библиотеки с "cleare-patch"
- cairo-1.14.6-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_cleartype
- libXft-2.3.1-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_cleartype
- freetype-2.6.3-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_ft2_render_hint

надеюсь, что с установленными "новыми правильными и красивыми" шрифтами, и соотв.
настройками сглаживания будут вам по душе
in system are incorporated/replaced libraries (patched with) "cleare-patch"
- cairo-1.14.6-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_cleartype
- libXft-2.3.1-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_cleartype
- freetype-2.6.3-x86_64-sl14.2_TDE_ft2_render_hint

I hope, that you will like "new regular and beautiful" fonts, with correct antialiasing
Quote:
мультилиб от Алиена (не устанавливал на vbox, но для будущего, на нормальной
раб.машине пригодиться)
http://www.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/

пока не делал мультилиб-версии измененных системных библиотек, т.е. в
системе х64 - все есть, но х32 приложения, видимо, будут отображаться
чуть хуже (из-за отсутствия cleare-font патчей)
Multilib from Alien (not used in vbox, but in future, on real computer
will be useful

At this there is multlib-verision of changed system libraries, 64
system - is complete, but x32 applications, will have worse look
(due to lack of clear-font patch)
Quote:
на десктоп/рабочей системе не проверялось, но прежняя подобная сборка TDE
прекрасно работат (почти летает) на "живом ноутбуке"
- TDE-14.0.1 x32
- ноутбук Compaq NX6100 / Core2 Duo Processor / Slackware-14.1x32

работатет вполне шустро, по сравнению с современными ноутбуками на базе Intel i5 и windows 7
on desktop/workstation system was not tested, but previous similar packaging TDE
worked fine (almost high rocket fly) on "live laptop" # I am not sure about this live laptop, it can as well idiom
- TDE-14.0.1 x32
- notebook Compaq NX6100 / Core2 Duo Processor / Slackware-14.1x32 #laptop is as old as mine so "live laptop"
# is rather sarcastic, "stil alive"
works quite fine (smart), comparing to modern notebook on base of Intel i5 and Windows 7 # neither i5 nor w7 are quite modern


Quote:
//
// шрифты
//

- fonts.tar.xz
шрифты, распаковать в дом. каталог ~/.fonts

- tde_add_fonts-R14.0.4-noarch-sl14.2_TDE.txz
системный пакет с теми же шрифтами, но устанавливаются глобально
в системный каталог.
//
// fonts
//
- fonts.tar.xz
fonts, extract in home folder ~/.fonts

- tde_add_fonts-R14.0.4-noarch-sl14.2_TDE.txz
system package with these same fonts, but installed globally
in system folder

Quote:
если не нужно, убираем/удаляем из каталога "2.tde_core" (переносим в подкаталог off),
по умолчанию лежит с пакетами,т.к. использую "установку в систему"
во время запуска/отладки

оба пакета содержат одинаковый набор шрифтов, первый - локальный, второй глобальный
что ставить - выбираем сами (я предпочитаю локальную установку)

add/fonts/user_set.tar.xz
- каталог с лок. настройками шрифтов/gtk (./gtkrc*, .Xresources), сбрасываем в дом. каталог
if not needed, remove from folder "2.tde_core" (remove into "off" folder),
by default is with other packages, as is done "system installation"
in start/debug

both packages contain the same fonts families, former - is local, latter global
what to install - choice is yours (I prefer local setting)

add/fonts/user_set.tar.xz
- folder with local fonts/gtk (/.gtkrc*, .Xresource), discard in home folder

Quote:
//
// bin
//

add/bin.tar.xz
- мои скрипты, скидываем содержимое в дом. каталог ~/bin (каталог надо добавить в PATH)
- для убоства и простоты написания я использую заменители installpkg/updatepkg/removepkg

все имхо...
//
// bin
//

add/bin.tar.xz
- my scripts, put contents in home folder ~/bin (needs to be added to PATH)
- to make life easier I use aliases for installpkg/updatepkg/removepkg

all имхо... # it's abbreviation, Russians love abbreviations, CIA, DC, NSA, DEA, IMO, OP, etc.... we love'm too


I will continue ..or ..you are completely bored..Then I won't

I just realized translation is not very good, if I would have chance to do install myself, then it will be more clear for me. I regret, but I don't have installed 64 bit version of Slackware.

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