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Old 07-13-2012, 01:05 AM   #46
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Even if Fedora uses it for themselves, Redhat is still more conservative.
Of course. But it will be understood correctly after you do sed s/Fedora/ReadHat's alpha testing polygon/ on it.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 01:09 AM   #47
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"BSD isn't relevant anymore." (the same Lennart Poettering)
I wonder what Master Foo would think of all this LOL
 
Old 07-13-2012, 01:28 AM   #48
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We should really consider this move to FreeBSD either kernel or userland. I would love to use OSSv4, single /dev way and use pf firewall, which I heard is superior and simpler.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 01:31 AM   #49
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We should really consider this move to FreeBSD either kernel or userland. I would love to use OSSv4, single /dev way and use pf firewall, which I heard is superior and simpler.
freebsd userland makes sense to me. i prefer bsd over gnu but the code contrib of gnu to kernel is just too much to switch. If debian has a freebsd kernel why doesnt slack use freebsd userbase the opposite makes more sense?
 
Old 07-13-2012, 05:06 AM   #50
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I think the Linux kernel should stay. The BSD kernel is lacking in terms of everything. The BSD userspace is ok.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 09:13 AM   #51
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Even if Fedora uses it for themselves, Redhat is still more conservative. They only chose what they like from Fedora. As long as Redhat doesnt adopt it I think we should be OK. Imagine if Redhat adopted every craziness from Fedora. Have you ever tried Fedora Desktop? I find Fedora like a Clown distro, no offense. I tried it one time and i prefered ubuntu over it. It totally clogged up my system maybe due to my hardware though. But its nature its just trying new stuff. Its kind of like a geunie pig for Redhat.
Hold on to your hat. RHEL 7 is tied to the fedora 18 development, including systemd et al.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 09:39 AM   #52
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If debian has a freebsd kernel why doesnt slack use freebsd userbase the opposite makes more sense?
because Slackware is still a Linux distribution?
 
Old 07-13-2012, 09:58 AM   #53
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And everyone would have to edit their t-shirts to read "Slackware BSD". Too much trouble.
 
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because Slackware is still a Linux distribution?
But if Linux is going to turn into a new Microsoft then screw linux... whats the point of going for linux in that case?

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html
 
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And everyone would have to edit their t-shirts to read "Slackware BSD". Too much trouble.
LOL, but it will still use the linux kernel. So it is still Linux. I mean look at Android LOL it doesnt resemble linux but thats the kernel.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 11:09 AM   #56
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Of course. But it will be understood correctly after you do sed s/Fedora/ReadHat's alpha testing polygon/ on it.
alpha testing is a test.

But yea, its most likely going to happen. All i did was say that it might not. Some optimism.
 
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Maybe the Cure is to speed up BSD init in a way that does not compromise UNIX philosophy? Yea, I know... easier said then done.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 11:18 AM   #58
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Maybe the Cure is to speed up BSD init in a way that does not compromise UNIX philosophy? Yea, I know... easier said then done.
That would not be sufficient. systemd not only replaces the init system, but from what I have read logging, udev, session-management and may be more in the future.
 
Old 07-13-2012, 11:40 AM   #59
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That would not be sufficient. systemd not only replaces the init system, but from what I have read logging, udev, session-management and may be more in the future.
Playing devils advocate... Isn't that making things "simpler" for the user?
 
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Playing devils advocate... Isn't that making things "simpler" for the user?
Not even close.

"This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." -- Doug McIlroy, the inventor of Unix pipes and one of the founders of the Unix tradition
 
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