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Old 06-04-2014, 12:14 PM   #16
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The reason to switch to UEFI and also to x86-64 is the same: because they are the future and because there are benefits. You will have to switch one day, the question is not if but when.
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:26 PM   #17
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Is there any reason to switch to UEFI?
If you have GPT drive (and in case of capacity > 2 Tb it is almost a must) and you want to dual-boot windows 7/8, then you have no choice. That was my case. If you have GNU/Linux only system - I see no obvious reason to upgrade. There are small technical advantages such as slightly faster boot or no need to use a boot loader(in case of linux kernel is configured with EFI stub it could be booted directly), possibility to use UEFI shell and other UEFI applications before boot to any OS.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 12:27 PM   #18
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The reason to switch to UEFI and also to x86-64 is the same: because they are the future and because there are benefits. You will have to switch one day, the question is not if but when.
I can easily see why would someone switch to x86-64 but not why someone would switch to UEFI. In my case, at least.
 
Old 06-04-2014, 12:34 PM   #19
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I can easily see why would someone switch to x86-64 but not why someone would switch to UEFI. In my case, at least.
If your computer supports it then you should switch. UEFI allows support for GUID partition tables, faster booting, and plenty of features that cannot be implemented in BIOS. Now, that doesn't mean you will use the features, and if you don't then you can wait. You will have to switch one day tho, and personally I try to switch to newer technologies sooner as long as they are available because I don't know how much time I will have to do the switch in the future. I mean, if it is available on my hardware and it is newer I will switch to it now, not later. Procrastination has never helped me and probably never will.
 
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:51 PM   #20
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I'm not sure if you all have been following the Syndicated Linux News forum, but there have been a couple of recent entries about UEFI booting:

Boot managers and boot devices on a PC with UEFI firmware
How to delete boot managers from a UEFI boot menu

No more MBR-overwriting, bootloader-chaining, setting up LILO/GRUB/BCD boot menus, or any of that nonsense. You just use Linux software to add or remove your boot partitions from the menu that you get when you start the computer up and press F8 during the POST.

I think that's much better.

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Old 06-04-2014, 02:18 PM   #21
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No more MBR-overwriting, bootloader-chaining, setting up LILO/GRUB/BCD boot menus, or any of that nonsense. You just use Linux software to add or remove your boot partitions from the menu that you get when you start the computer up and press F8 during the POST.
I'm sold. I need to run out an buy a new motherboard with UEFI!

I've never used UEFI and had been waiting for the Slackware solutions to be figured out. (which they appear to have been) You make it sound enticing and not a pain at all.

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Old 06-05-2014, 12:51 AM   #22
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I haven't tried the stub loader yet but, for me, efi was more frustrating than the bios setup.
 
Old 06-07-2014, 06:19 AM   #23
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UEFI is a proprietary pre-boot single-tasking operating system heavily influenced by Windows design principles (including executable format and calling convention). Of course it sucks and is buggy as hell. It is basically an overcomplicated 64 bit version of MS-DOS. The main purpose for its introduction was to hinder booting alternative operating systems (Secure Boot).

But you don't have the choice. PC hardware with a real BIOS implementation is not available anymore (and most recent BIOS implementations were worse than UEFI). Enabling the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) and simulating a "legacy boot" doesn't give you the IBM BIOS back, it only complicates things further. So you have to deal with UEFI, if you want or not.
 
Old 06-07-2014, 08:46 AM   #24
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well lets reinvent the wheel 26 X 1 3/8 in the 1890's or is it a 650a as of today. it is all the same to me the system is looking at a boot loader and why people want to be confusing.
It is looking for an image and wow lets put it on a fat32 partition. well. All the same all the same stuff. nothing new. not one thing.

It is an image loaded into ram and for what I see oh well.
 
Old 06-08-2014, 01:09 AM   #25
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UEFI is a proprietary pre-boot single-tasking operating system heavily influenced by Windows design principles (including executable format and calling convention)...
That's true. But usually BIOS was not superior in any sense. Also proprietary(open/free alternatives exist but how many use them?), single-tasking, often buggy. The only advantage is simplicity.
 
  


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