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Old 04-01-2004, 12:20 AM   #1
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swaret upgrade from 8.0 to current.


Hi! I have a minimal Slackware 8.0 machine which function as my print server. I only installed some minimal packages for network, and linux to work.

I recently upgraded it to current using swaret, did this in single user mode with eth0 up. No prob there.

But what it missed out are the scripts in /etc/rc.d and probably some other files in /etc. What I mean is that, it still have the same script file of Slackware 9.0

Is there anyway I can update this using swaret too? I know it is just script file which does the same thing. I can actually copy it over from my Slackware 9.1 (current) machine. But wondering whether swaret can do it or not.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 12:52 AM   #2
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why would you like to update the script if it does the job. When a tool update /etc or orthers scripts, sometimes it can changes your settings(internet,print server,etc...)

If your pc and your server are still working, what do you complain about?
 
Old 04-01-2004, 06:36 AM   #3
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latest is the greatest!
hhehe.. Kiding,

well, I find that rc.inet1 is much neater now.
Neater script is nice to see.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 08:01 PM   #4
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Hi! I look at /etc/rc.d properly just now and found out that swaret actually "install" the new script but named it as /etc/rc.d/rc.***.new. So I need to rename it to the rc.***. Anyway, just a thought if you guys don't have a newer (slack) machine to copy script over.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 08:47 PM   #5
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I would think that following the directions Patrick V. gives on the CD for upgrading would be the safest method.
 
Old 04-01-2004, 11:19 PM   #6
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Tuche' pussycat..... I try to keep out of the swaret posts but quite frankly they are flooding the forums and getting on my nerves. Why even use swaret with Slackware. It seems to me it taints the innocence and purity and VERY essence of Slackware. Why not just use Redhat with apt-get or Mandrake with urpmi or Suse with... well, whatever..... apt-get, I suppose. Slackware doesn't need swaret and never will. If I want to upgrade packages, I use pkgtool. You will NEVER see a post about pkgtool hosing your system.... Granted, this post isn't necessarily complaining about having a hosed slack install after swaret but if I had a dime.......... I could almost pay my rent for this month......

I had to.... It's been welling up inside for a month or two and I just had to..... If you want a third party package tool to hold your hand, for the love of god, switch to redhat and use apt-get. Atleast that works....
 
Old 04-03-2004, 07:44 AM   #7
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Hear, hear!

I do admit to using slackpkg.

But all it does is search an _official_ mirror for the latest package, download it
and run installpkg.

I once tried using yum (on a Fedora installation) to install the flash plugin.
First, it wanted to download 12 megs of libraries, which I let it. When the
download was complete it said that the signatures on the downloaded files
were invalid. So where did it get them from?
 
Old 04-03-2004, 08:33 AM   #8
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Ok. automatic updating can be real handy this has nothing to do with KISS. Ik prefer to manually keeping up te date but when i am away for some weeks (holiday or something) i do use swaret or slapt-get for keeping my system up-to-date. (9.1 not current).

slapt-get can also be real handy for searching etc.. So what i am trying to say is that third party software is not bad for slackware it just is a choice. When something goes wrong you are the one to blame.
 
Old 04-03-2004, 09:05 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by jong357
Tuche' pussycat..... I try to keep out of the swaret posts but quite frankly they are flooding the forums and getting on my nerves. Why even use swaret with Slackware. It seems to me it taints the innocence and purity and VERY essence of Slackware. Why not just use Redhat with apt-get or Mandrake with urpmi or Suse with... well, whatever..... apt-get, I suppose. Slackware doesn't need swaret and never will. If I want to upgrade packages, I use pkgtool. You will NEVER see a post about pkgtool hosing your system.... Granted, this post isn't necessarily complaining about having a hosed slack install after swaret but if I had a dime.......... I could almost pay my rent for this month......

I had to.... It's been welling up inside for a month or two and I just had to..... If you want a third party package tool to hold your hand, for the love of god, switch to redhat and use apt-get. Atleast that works....
Swaret works, it works well, it doesn't hose your system (seeing that it also uses pkgtool). Have you even used it ?
 
Old 04-03-2004, 09:50 AM   #10
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The only objection I have (not that that means anything) is using swaret (or any other) when the person really is new to Linux much less Slackware. Has no real appreciation yet, how their system works. Does not really understand that what swaret does, what its limitations are. Swaret is just a tool. When the user does not know how to use the tool it can go astray.Yet it seems like every beginner is told, "dude, use swaret". Then when they do and their system won't boot, sound won't work, ..... they have no idea why or how to recover from it. If someone knows they what swaret is updating reads the change logs and monitors what is not getting updated by swaret and makes manual corrections when needed, then swaret or slapt or ... can make life easier.
 
Old 04-03-2004, 12:37 PM   #11
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I need a little more information, not that I am looking for any preconceived idea about any certain software being better than the next.

I have used Swaret, and thought it an excellent means of getting / installing / and checking upgraded dependencies. I have also experienced that by doing so, things have a way of not working afterwards, not that I blame swaret for this, but rather my own ignorance about what has happened, what has changed , etc. I tend to agree with Ringwraith. Being a newbie, I am not quite certain what are the easiest steps in researching "if I upgrade package A, what will happen to package B because they are dependent on each other?" Regretably, at this stage of the game I am just knowlegable enough to be a danger to myself and my system, having had to re-install repeatedly secondary to my desire to have the latest software.

My question(s) are : (I will be researching these on my own, but would appreciate your opinions)

What are the advantages/disadvantages to using Slapt-get?

What are the advantages/disadvantages to using slackpkg?

Does there exist a "program" which allows the "source" to be "compiled / dependency checked / installed" which (significantly) reduces issues on the "enduser?" (What I am looking for here is some piece of mind that it is going to work well on my Slack system)

What are the biggest "drawbacks", in your opinion, to using something like Swaret for a newbie
who reallly is unaware of what they could compromise, and potentially be unable to recover from?

Caution : This post is not an attempt to "troll" or solicit a flame war between members, so please ..... your thoughts would be greately appreciated.
 
Old 04-03-2004, 01:23 PM   #12
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I ran across checkinstall, understanding that it allows the user to bulid their own packages, install, etc from source. Thoughts?

Thanx
 
Old 04-04-2004, 10:14 AM   #13
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Originally posted by justaguynsrq
I ran across checkinstall, understanding that it allows the user to bulid their own packages, install, etc from source. Thoughts?

Thanx
It's great, I use it every time I have to install something from source. Sometimes it guesses the wrong version number, but it lets you correct it.
 
Old 04-04-2004, 10:28 AM   #14
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Originally posted by jong357
Tuche' pussycat..... I try to keep out of the swaret posts but quite frankly they are flooding the forums and getting on my nerves. Why even use swaret with Slackware. It seems to me it taints the innocence and purity and VERY essence of Slackware. I suppose. Slackware doesn't need swaret and never will. If I want to upgrade packages, I use pkgtool. You will NEVER see a post about pkgtool hosing your system
Mega ditto's!!!

Portage, apt-get, wget, and swaret are just the same as using windows update, Why use Linux if your not going to do things for yourself. and besides, Swaret has a bad habit of NOT updating Library packages, and then people come here and complain/make threads asking for help, just update your own systems manually, that way you know it is done right the first time, and don't trust these windows update type programs.
 
Old 04-05-2004, 11:05 AM   #15
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Mega ditto's!!!

Portage, apt-get, wget, and swaret are just the same as using windows update, Why use Linux if your not going to do things for yourself. and besides, Swaret has a bad habit of NOT updating Library packages, and then people come here and complain/make threads asking for help, just update your own systems manually, that way you know it is done right the first time, and don't trust these windows update type programs.
Manually upgrading stuff like KDE or Gnome is a PITA! Auto-updaters are less stable than doing it yourself, but if you're busy (or lazy) it might be worth the tradeoff. Of course, you might regret it if swaret does bork your system, but I've found it more reliable than apt-get.
 
  


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