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Old 08-26-2007, 01:58 PM   #16
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nice thread this. i would like more gtk1 apps while i try to use the commandline as much as possible, when i need to i prefer the speed and look of GTK1 apps, grey and simple i think GTK2 apps look pretty ugly tbh, i dont like the QT default look either.

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Old 08-26-2007, 05:56 PM   #17
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Funny about XFCE

I have been using Wolvix on XFCE lately as well as now I am using Slackware on KDE. Wolvix is based on and uses Slackware. Both are very fast with the Wolvix being just a tad faster. I think the difference can be laid at the door of KDE vs XFCE.

So far as usability, both seem to handle anything I want them to with no problems and I am very satisfiedwith them. I think potentially the KDE might have more options available but then I think you have to figure out if the options are useful to you or if what you have to start with meets your needs fully.
 
Old 10-21-2007, 12:23 PM   #18
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Although this thread is a couple of months old, in my Slackware Desktop Enhancement Guide I have posted a page titled Slackware Xfce Improvements, addressing the issue of improving Xfce within the stock Slackware. Comments and suggestions are welcomed.
 
Old 10-22-2007, 06:38 AM   #19
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CHM Readers : I like the chm extension for firefox even better than any other app ...
 
Old 10-22-2007, 07:51 AM   #20
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Although this thread is a couple of months old, in my Slackware Desktop Enhancement Guide I have posted a page titled Slackware Xfce Improvements, addressing the issue of improving Xfce within the stock Slackware. Comments and suggestions are welcomed.
A very well-written guide for Slackers! Thank you for supporting the Slackware community, Woodsman:-)
 
Old 10-22-2007, 11:17 AM   #21
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I prefer the "controlled" approach of using packages rather than installing directly from source. Installing from a package provides a convenient way of tracking what is installed as well as a reasonably clean and controlled way of avoiding problems when removing packages.
I go the
Code:
./configure
make
su 
checkinstall
route myself. Then I use 'installpkg' on the package I just made, and save all my 'made' packages to a dvd so when I screw up the world, it's easy to reinstall what I need.

You can find 'checkinstall' in the /extras directory on the cds or dvd.
 
Old 10-22-2007, 01:23 PM   #22
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There was a message here on linuxquestions about somewhat checkinstall is broken, or so, or was. Is it still so?
 
Old 10-22-2007, 01:56 PM   #23
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It was. Don't know if it is now. You can use src2pkg if your checkinstall is broken.

Btw, Woodsman, thanks for the guide.
 
Old 10-22-2007, 02:55 PM   #24
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Yes, it is, with Slackware 12...I just looked it up.

Sorry about that.

But src2pkg does work.
 
Old 10-22-2007, 10:01 PM   #25
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IMHO, the point here is, that KDE trys to be a complete and fully integrated desktop environment right out of the box. Therefore it comes with quite a few more or less useful applications including games by standard. It can be extended, of course, but it is supposed to be useful and productive even if you don't add dozens of programs from elsewhere. Personalization is done by configuring KDE and apps written for it. Even an end-user has many options to modify the look and feel (behaviour) of applications. The biggest advantage of KDE, however, is how well KDE apps work together. But there's a price: The framework that ensures this high level of interoperability is sophisticated, but complex and uses a little bit of computing power. It's an individual decision, if you think it's worth it, or not.

That's where alternatives like XFCE enter the scene. The philosophy here is to provide some tools *everyone* usually needs, and to keep things small and simple. Personalization is done more by adding things you need, and a bit less by configuration. The goal here is not to be complete. The goal is to provide a lean, simple to use basic environment for *your* tools and utilities and applications.

In other words: While KDE is rails, locomotive and wagons, XFCE tends to be only the rails, maybe with one locomotive, but without wagons.

Now, although there should be many Gtk+ applications available that should run under XFCE, some of them require some Gnome infrastructure. Not sure if they are loaded that much faster than KDE apps, then. If I get you right, your problem is that you don't find Slackware packages for some of the apps you want to use, and you want to encourage package builders and maintainers to provide packages for these apps.

Well, if the usual repositories (slacky.eu, linuxpackages.net, slackbuilds.org and the homepages of rworkman and Alien Bob) don't have the stuff you need, one good way, that usually works just fine, is gnashley's wonderful tool src2pkg.

To brigde that time gap until some maintainer you trust provides more or less "official" packages for the software you want, you can browse http://www.freshmeat.net and http://www.sourceforge.net, download what you like and create a Slackware package from the official sources using src2pkg. Handling is *really* easy.

What src2pkg does is, it creates and installs a binary Slackware package. This might be the first step to get going what you actually want. Because if the created package works well on your machine (which it usually will do), you could provide it somewhere for download and testing by others. Once some other people tried it without complaining, you could finally upload it to one of the repositories mentioned above.

The first step wouldn't require any knowledge about shell script programming, so it could be an easy start for your project.

And, BTW, in case you have some (unexpected) trouble with src2pkg: gnashley is a very helpful and knowledgable guy, who appreciates feedback for his admirable tool.

Good luck

gargamel
 
Old 10-28-2007, 01:22 PM   #26
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Thanks everybody for your comments (and compliments ).

My goal is straightforward. The stock Slackware includes the complete KDE and Xfce, but a "complete" Xfce lacks many equivalent productivity tools packaged with KDE. The Xfce developers likely never will provide the same level of desktop support as the KDE developers. The goal of the KDE and Xfce developers differ and that largely explains the contrast in the desktops. Therefore, providing a fuller Xfce desktop is up to end-users.

There are people supporting Slackware spin-offs who try to provide a more complete Xfce desktop, such as Zenwalk and Wolvix. My modest goal is to provide some basic help for people who prefer, for whatever reasons, to remain with the stock Slackware but want to experiment with or improve the Xfce desktop.

I'm no Xfce guru and do not act as one on TV. I merely am noting that the stock Slackware does not provide as rich an Xfce experience as the stock KDE provides. I would be tickled to see Pat create an Xfce directory in the Slackware Extras tree, where packages for a fuller Xfce desktop could be supported and stored. Or perhaps a separate section at slackbuilds.org dedicated to improving the Xfce desktop (just a suggestion, Robbie, not a demand or command of any type ).

I also realize that KDE apps run just fine within the Xfce environment. Doing so costs some overhead and a pristine GTK environment therefore seems a plausible goal.

Various slackbuild scripts exist to help Slackers with such a journey, but the collection is incomplete. The src2pkg tool could help fill voids too, but there are many Slackers who prefer merely to download completed packages rather than roll their own.

I'm aware that some GTK packages depend upon a basic GNOME infrastructure. I believe several of those foundational packages are available at slackbuilds.org. At my web site I have not yet addressed such issues. Currently I am focusing only on creating a comparison table of equivalent like-for-like GTK packages that could replace KDE packages.

At my web site I am offering to provide a pivot point or portal for Slackers who want to configure an Xfce desktop to resemble something close to KDE. I am not attempting any commentary about what people should do or what is "right" or "wrong," or even how to achieve that goal. I am only offering a spot on the web that tries to help fellow Slackers locate equivalent GTK apps for a fuller Xfce experience within the stock Slackware.

Part of my reason for starting this conversation and project is a busy personal schedule. I have tinkered with creating my own slackbuild scripts and with src2pkg, but I am no software guru and do not always succeed, which adds another reason for wanting to find help with completed packages or well-written slackbuild scripts. I also use older hardware, which can be slow and painful with respect to compiling software. I suspect there are many Slackers who, like me, prefer the structure of Slackware, who also might use older hardware, who also might not be software gurus, but would like to see additional GTK packages available for downloading. Linuxpackages.net is an option, although many of the contributors there do not include their slackbuild scripts, which I prefer so I can roll my own at a later date with future updates and releases. I also believe that including the slackbuild script provides a higher degree of trust.

I'm not seeking "something for nothing," which is why I created the web page. I am not an expert at compiling software or creating scripts or packages, and the web page is a nominal way of contributing to this project.

If you want to help with this modest project then please contact me (here in this thread or at my web site) with names and links of equivalent packages. How to compile such packages is a subject for another day. For the moment I want to build a comparison table. My focus is on traditional "productivity" and not games or other forms of software recreation. After better populating this comparison table, I am open to suggestions about how to improve the web page to help Slackers obtain those packages.

Thanks for your interest and help.
 
Old 10-28-2007, 03:39 PM   #27
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AAHH -jukebox55, you sound like a man after my heart. You need to have a look around my site. I've just started re-populating it lately. I have sveral hundred(!) GTK1 apps on there-aomething for nearly evrything that woodsman asked for in fact. I even have a unique version of GTK-1.2.10 that combines all the great patches from LFS, gentoo, fedora, SuSE, debain and ubuntu, including a hybrid file selector which no one else has ever seen. Over the next few days I'll being uploaded a few more gigs of stuff -looks like I have around 800 folders of stuff at the moment and counting...

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/...inux/download/
 
Old 10-29-2007, 01:49 PM   #28
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There was a message here on linuxquestions about somewhat checkinstall is broken, or so, or was. Is it still so?
I think it's been fixed. I downloaded 1.6.1 yesterday (not even knowing there was a 'bug' with Slackware 12) and it worked beautifully.
 
Old 10-29-2007, 04:20 PM   #29
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digger95, checkinstall is still broken.
See this thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...1/#post2941397
 
Old 08-18-2009, 02:03 AM   #30
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[QUOTE=Woodsman;2939980]Thanks everybody for your comments (and compliments ).

There are people supporting Slackware spin-offs who try to provide a more complete Xfce desktop, such as Zenwalk and Wolvix. My modest goal is to provide some basic help for people who prefer, for whatever reasons, to remain with the stock Slackware but want to experiment with or improve the Xfce desktop.
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I would like to second these thoughts.
I have tried zenwalk, vector, absolute(not xfce however-loose module theme) and used wolvix for some time before deciding I was ready for real thing.
My custom system starts with slackware12 + xfce + kde multimedia k3b and k9copy and mplayer. A full KDE desktop represents the reason, I gave windows the boot. Gnome allows more flexibility, however xfce fits slackware like a glove (with a finger or two missing).

I have added the following extras from the above distros:
glabels, converall, kompozer, notecase, galculator, pcmanfm, fileroller,
 
  


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