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Old 05-31-2013, 10:28 AM   #271
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Thus I came to Slackware.
One distro to rule them all. A distro forged in the fires of Mount Doom.
 
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:08 AM   #272
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Do you believe in personal property at any level or do you think everything should be free for everybody?
Copyright has nothing to do with personal property, which is fine the way it is.

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Are you sure about that? In a world without Copyright the GPL has no power. This means that someone could take your code, improve upon it and make the net result proprietary. They would not have to publish their changes for your benefit. Careful what you wish for!
So the worst thing they can do is to take free software and close-source it. And I am sure there will be some people willing to run it, but I don't care. People are also free to bet in casinos, and we don't stop them. Eventually most people will recognize it's a scam, and view closed-source software as malware, so the damage will be minimal. The utility which comes from being able to use any code, anywhere, will be far greater.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:49 AM   #273
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Copyright has nothing to do with personal property, which is fine the way it is.
Sure it does. What you are suggesting is intellectual communism. Plain and simple.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 12:01 PM   #274
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Sure it does. What you are suggesting is intellectual communism. Plain and simple.
Yep
 
Old 05-31-2013, 12:22 PM   #275
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One distro to rule them all. A distro forged in the fires of Mount Doom.
If you're going to use a Tolkien based analogy: systemd would have to be The One Ring; Lennart, Sauron; Redhat, Mordor: and Slackware, would be either Valinor or Tol EressŽa.


It's actually quite scary how well this analogy fits when you think about it.
 
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:22 PM   #276
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Eventually most people will recognize it's a scam, and view closed-source software as malware, so the damage will be minimal.
Really, you actually believe this? Most people don't give a sh*t about any of this.
 
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:46 PM   #277
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Sure it does. What you are suggesting is intellectual communism. Plain and simple.
It would be beautiful. Not as much as the actual thing, though.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 06:05 PM   #278
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It would be beautiful. Not as much as the actual thing, though.
I'm almost sure I'll regret this, but I don't quite follow you. You'll have to elaborate.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 06:39 PM   #279
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Are you sure about that? In a world without Copyright the GPL has no power. This means that someone could take your code, improve upon it and make the net result proprietary. They would not have to publish their changes for your benefit. Careful what you wish for!
This is legal today. The GPL requires only that the source code be distributed to anyone to whom the compiled binary is distributed.

Companies can (and do) legally modify GPL'd code, use it to provide web-based services (or similar), and never release the source code to the public. No binary distribution, no legal requirement for source distribution.

The AGPL specifically addresses this, and requires source distribution upon services provided.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 07:25 PM   #280
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I'm almost sure I'll regret this, but I don't quite follow you. You'll have to elaborate.
Nothing too scary, I just would find a communist world beautiful.
 
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:39 PM   #281
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Really, you actually believe this? Most people don't give a sh*t about any of this.
What is important is that it actually is malware. Give natural selection a chance.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:50 PM   #282
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What is important is that it actually is malware. Give natural selection a chance.
We've given the world at least two decades to select out closed-source software and Windows is still by far the market leader (as in, it has a full monopoly) in desktop OSes. Before Microsoft, of course, there were other proprietary vendors (Unix included). Natural selection does not apply here.
 
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:23 AM   #283
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Nothing too scary, I just would find a communist world beautiful.
I find some imaginary worlds beautiful too; a communist world would not be one of them.
 
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:34 AM   #284
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Companies can (and do) legally modify GPL'd code, use it to provide web-based services (or similar), and never release the source code to the public. No binary distribution, no legal requirement for source distribution.
Sure but a world without copyright would make things worse as they could also redistribute the binaries as well if they wanted.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 04:59 AM   #285
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Nothing too scary, I just would find a communist world beautiful.
I find communist world just like medieval catholic church. One dream world, one pope, one BIG brother. They both imply people living in peace, sharing and love. But for these imaginations to come true, billions of people with different thoughts have to die in painful (soft word) agony by nations. So for my and many people like me, who believe in free thought, sake. I hope and pray that communist world will never ever again become reality. Let it stay in a memory, so we will remember it for what it was (in some parts of the word still is). IMHO Hitler was a saint if compared to what crimes against humanity communists have done.

I am sorry for the off topic, just had to speak, as I live in a country, where I have to face the legacy of your beautiful communist word everyday. And each day I spend digging little remaining pieces of our culture, that we not so long ago had.
 
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