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Old 10-11-2012, 05:11 AM   #16
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Be kind to your own countryman.
Thanks.

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Alex
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Deepin is not a man. It is a criminal organization focused on pirating Microsoft Windows. Just search for "deepin+xp" on the Internet and see.


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... Why so cruel? Just because we are a distro in your/our country? ...
The answer is right in my post which you've just quoted:
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..., the company of "Deepin" has grown up by profiting from distribution of malware within its modified, pirate versions of Microsoft Windows. What such a company can do to free software is under question.

Please, Alex of the "Linux Deepin Team", do not ignore the facts and simply attribute everyone not in your favor as an "enemy of the people". The trick to defeat your adversary by false accusation of treason no longer works now.

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Old 10-11-2012, 05:48 AM   #17
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Slackware I18N & L10N Project?

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I am thinking of how to intro Slackware into a wider user groups like those who more prefer Chinese language.
Gabriel, I am 100% with you on that. I would for instance be pleased of having more Slackware users in France.

Here are some thoughts.

I will call them (not complete) "pre-requirements for a Slackware I18N & L10N Project" because they need to be confronted to technical, legal, economic, sociological, available resources etc. aspects of the reality . This will be the main goal of feasibility studies. Some expected results of these studies will be the choice of methods and (preferred) tools to be used, and the team work's organization and support setup.

(1) We want an internationalized Slackware but neither derivatives nor versions specific to one country or language.

(2) The project should be acceptable by Patrick J. Volkerding and if possible by other authors or maintainers of tools written specifically for Slackware. This will require at least that:
(a) It will not require from PV an amount of additional work that he {c,w}ouldn't accept.
(b) We will credibly guarantee that the internationalization then localization do not introduce bugs and do not result in any significant inconvenience for present users, in other words that the level of quality and stability provided by Slackware will not decrease as a consequence of the project.

(3) The ultimate scope of the project will be: "everything specific to Slackware and visible by an end-user". For instance this would include what the user sees on the screen at time of installation or using Slackware tools afterwards, but probably not comments in Slackware scripts. This scope will have to be be filled progressively, so steps and milestones will have to be set up.

(4) Internationalization of (parts of) the scope should be completed before any localization effort in the same (part of the) scope begins.

(5) Internationalization & Localization of upstream software not specific to Slackware will not be included in the scope, in the spirit of shipping as less modified software as possible, in Slackware's tradition. This do not preclude an effort to provide users help and guidance to find, install and configure anything that could help them use their preferred language in as many applications as possible.

(6) The work to be done will be organized, coordinated, allocated and verified in such a way that previous requirements be fulfilled, whilst encouraging people to participate. In particular specific knowledge or know-how will be required depending on the kind of task to be performed and progress tracking in both internationalization and localization will be provided.

A quick introduction about the Internationalization & Localization issues can be found here.

Last edited by Didier Spaier; 10-12-2012 at 03:36 AM. Reason: s/reference/introduction/
 
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:00 AM   #18
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Thank you ssl779 and Eternal_Newbie for your respond.
I've got the Chinese characters input method SCIM worked, it runs well. However i am more interested in the Operation system and applications where it run in Chinese, something like you install slackware in Chinese or run applications in Chinese, of cause by then the input method is also in Chinese.

I don't think we have it at least for now.
As for the operation of most applications, due to the nature of open source, the own-ness of this lies on all of the projects that make up the operating system. Many of the larger or more widely developed pieces will have the best language support (i.e. KDE, Firefox).
Keep in mind, that while slackware is fun, it is also very vanilla. Such that the projects that constitute a slackware installation are not codelines that the slackware development team actively work on. The common development process is to work with the upstream project, so that the changes will roll out to _all_ linuxes (sp?)
Although many components were written by a couple of individuals, but are so purely functional that english is the only documentation or output available, even if it was not their native language. As for the case of the Installer, I can understand that wish, but again it is primarily only a single maintainer of that, and the application would need to be re-written to have localisation.

So in short, setting up SCIM input, and environment variables (and possibly a couple of special settings, like for KDE) is enough to let the programs that _do_ have localisation, know that want to use it. But for everything else, to have a pure language environment would be quiet an under taking. I dare say, more than one individual could accomplish. Although, don't be discouraged by that, because that opens the opportunity for _you_ to find a particular application/project that you use regularly, that does not have translations as well as you would like. Find that project's communication channels, development process, and so on, and begin offering them translations!
Documentation and translations are the largest way that folks first begin contributing.
 
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:23 AM   #19
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As for the case of the Installer, I can understand that wish, but again it is primarily only a single maintainer of that, and the application would need to be re-written to have localisation.
Re-written, really? Out of the 238 shell scripts & text files included in the installer, let's isolate those which either call or are called by another one during installer's usage. They amount for 58. A quick look into these 58 files shows that at most 44 would need to be internationalized, some with a very few lines of text involved. Sure this would need time and attention but doesn't seems me to be a daunting task. And in the list below are included the files needed to make a standalone PXE server from the installer, aka Alien Bob' Easter Egg:

/bin/network
/bin/pcmcia
/dev/devmap_mknod.sh
/dev/makedevs.sh
/etc/issue
/etc/rc.d/rc.S
/etc/rc.d/rc.dropbear
/etc/rc.d/rc.ieee1394
/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1
/etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia
/etc/rc.d/rc.udev
/lib/udev/rule_generator.functions
/lib/udev/write_cd_rules
/lib/udev/write_net_rules
/scripts/network.sh
/usr/lib/setup/INCISO
/usr/lib/setup/INSCD
/usr/lib/setup/INSNFS
/usr/lib/setup/INSSMB
/usr/lib/setup/INSURL
/usr/lib/setup/INSdir
/usr/lib/setup/INShd
/usr/lib/setup/SeTDOS
/usr/lib/setup/SeTPKG
/usr/lib/setup/SeTPXEHELP
/usr/lib/setup/SeTconfig
/usr/lib/setup/SeTfdHELP
/usr/lib/setup/SeTfull
/usr/lib/setup/SeTkeymap
/usr/lib/setup/SeTmaketag
/usr/lib/setup/SeTmedia
/usr/lib/setup/SeTnet
/usr/lib/setup/SeTpartitions
/usr/lib/setup/SeTpasswd
/usr/lib/setup/SeTpxe
/usr/lib/setup/SeTpxemedia
/usr/lib/setup/SeTswap
/usr/lib/setup/installpkg
/usr/lib/setup/nopartHELP
/usr/lib/setup/pkgtool
/usr/lib/setup/pxesetup
/usr/lib/setup/removepkg
/usr/lib/setup/setup
/usr/lib/setup/slackinstall

Let's add message.txt, f2.txt and setpkg in /isolinux to make good measure.

I may have omitted some files but from that list you can get an order of magnitude of the amount of work needed.

EDIT I corrected the list of files and numbers involved.

Last edited by Didier Spaier; 10-12-2012 at 06:01 AM. Reason: EDIT added
 
Old 10-11-2012, 10:07 AM   #20
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I have been using slackware with Chinese environment for several years. I think most of the applications have been localized after you set the $lang correctly.

1.language setting

PHP Code:
bash-4.2# cat /etc/profile.d/lang.sh 
#!/bin/sh
# Set the system locale.  (no, we don't have a menu for this ;-)
# For a list of locales which are supported by this machine, type:
#   locale -a

# en_US is the Slackware default locale:
#export LANG=en_US
export LANG=zh_CN.utf8 
2. Turn on scim input method

PHP Code:
chmod +/etc/profile.d/scim.* 
3. Install zh_CN language xpi file for firefox
PHP Code:
x86_64:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/xpi/

x86:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/linux-i686/xpi/ 
4. Install zh_CN language xpi file for thunderbird
PHP Code:
x86_64
ftp
://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/linux-x86_64/xpi/

x86:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/latest/linux-i686/xpi/ 
5. Optional:install wqy-microhei font for better Chinese fonts. I put it as follows:
PHP Code:
/usr/share/fonts/TTF/wqy-microhei/wqy-microhei.ttc 
You need to set the system default font to this font. It is much better than the default Chinese font with Slackware.

That is all.

Last edited by kite; 10-11-2012 at 08:49 PM. Reason: Add more...
 
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:14 AM   #21
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That distro is a modified version of Ubuntu, which is a modified version of Debian itself.

Besides, the company of "Deepin" has grown up by profiting from distribution of malware within its modified, pirate versions of Microsoft Windows. What such a company can do to free software is under question.

You kidding me I didn't know that...!!!

Anyway, anything in China could be faked! Most extraordinary example for me is "fake egg". The fake egg which is so real you can't tell it is fake when you are cooking it or eating it !

Last edited by 688a; 10-11-2012 at 10:18 AM.
 
Old 10-11-2012, 07:42 PM   #22
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You kidding me I didn't know that...!!!

Anyway, anything in China could be faked! Most extraordinary example for me is "fake egg". The fake egg which is so real you can't tell it is fake when you are cooking it or eating it !
This story has been proved fake long time ago. There is no fake egg in the market. Did you taste it by yourselves?
 
Old 10-11-2012, 09:07 PM   #23
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I can't help lol before reading further.

According to Chinese law, individuals cannot hold the following things:
  • Heterodyne receiver
  • Audio amplifier
  • Capacitor working above 1500V(DC)
Ref. http://www.hflib.gov.cn/law/law/falv...%20SF/1114.htm
Actually, you might want to re-read some of the articles online regarding "Chinese Laws regarding Data Encryption." here's are some older articles but they are still very valid, including a Wikipedia article:

Code:
http://www.networkworld.com/careers/2004/0315man.html
Code:
http://www.mmlcgroup.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/encryptionbloombergmmlc_murphy_xia_article.pdf
Code:
http://blog.59box.com/2009/05/using-data-encryption-and-ssl-in-china/
Code:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography
You might wish to recant that unwise LOL remark.

Data Cryptography laws are well known to be heinously strict in China, possibly the strictest in the world. The average person can not use cryptography legally and if caught can face heavy fines, prison time, and other civil penalties. Businesses that wish to use cryptography have to apply for specialized state licenses, and even then the Chinese government authority still holds all the keys to the kingdom and can read and access your data at any given time.

Anyone who would promote or distribute an encryption enabled operating system in China faces severe penalties, and I'm certain Patrick doesn't want people to go to prison just for promoting Slackware in a foreign country. A Chinese Slackware would effectively have to be devoid of any encryption tools of all kinds to be considered legal for distribution.

This web board also is not a place to promote illegal software regardless of country laws in question, regardless of how draconian they are or unjust, or discuss piracy also, so please do keep that in mind. Laws are laws and they must be obeyed.
 
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:59 AM   #24
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Anyone who would promote or distribute an encryption enabled operating system in China faces severe penalties, and I'm certain Patrick doesn't want people to go to prison just for promoting Slackware in a foreign country. A Chinese Slackware would effectively have to be devoid of any encryption tools of all kinds to be considered legal for distribution.
If using crypographic software is illegal inside People's Republic of China, using Slackware there is already illegal, so having it fully internationalized and localized in Chinese won't change anything on that respect. Furthermore I assume that it is legal to download only the _legal_to_use_there_ part of Slackware in PRC and use it.

I very much doubt that Patrick risks the prison for "promoting Slackware in a foreign country" as AFAIK he promotes it only on http://slackware.com. Else anybody promoting a cryptographic software in any country would risk prison in PRC.

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This web board also is not a place to promote illegal software regardless of country laws in question, regardless of how draconian they are or unjust, or discuss piracy also, so please do keep that in mind.
I did not see any statement in this thread promoting cryptographic software's usage inside PRC so what is your point here? Furthermore I don't think I should be bound by PRC's laws outside PRC. I am only bound by laws of the country where I live or with which I make transactions.
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Laws are laws and they must be obeyed.
If you don't make any exception, then nobody should fight a dictatorship. I do not share that opinion.

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Old 10-12-2012, 02:12 AM   #25
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If you don't make any exception, then nobody should fight a dictatorship. I do not share that opinion.
Absolutely!

Every human advancement has been fueled by saying an emphatic "NO!" to someone's idea of "law".

The principle was never more eloquently stated than this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it".

Consent... not obedience...

Just say NO!

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Old 10-12-2012, 03:22 AM   #26
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I'd like to interject, my friends. When it comes to the topic of China and politics, or even North Korea, it comes to many minds of yours the existence of dictatorship from the 'tyrants' and the suffering and miseries of 'the governed'. However, have you really thought about how some people(let's say the 'some' stands for 1.3 billion people!), including me, can still survive in such a *terrible* country?

Of course, we can say 'NO' here. But there's something we shouldn't DO. Say dare you take the risk of subverting your own country? Ah, so ya say it is not necessary? However, is it necessary that we overthrow ours just because it is a socialist one? Does ideology really matter? We can still believe in God. And no one prevents you from holding a Quran in your hands or putting it under the pillow ;-)

We fight for our fortune and share equal opportunities in China. So ya say it is not equal? Then is it equal in your country? Do people don't take effort and only complain they are born in the wrong country and of the wrong nation deserve their 'equal' opportunities? Irrational practices do exist in China; and different ones may exist in yours. And ya think the governors are all incompetent, greedy or wicked people? I tell you my friends, some of them are my old acquaintance and *most* of them are elites of the nation! They are HUMAN and not machinery. They have their own love, hatred and happiness and they are NOT as what you think.

Sorry if some of the words may offend you but I don't mean to. It's just that my parents, and the lady with whom I am obsessed all live here. I love it no matter what a damn nation and place it is.

Things cannot be all alike around the world. May blossoms of different cultures splendidly bloom!

Last edited by lihongwu; 10-12-2012 at 04:46 AM. Reason: corrected some gramatical mistakes
 
Old 10-12-2012, 04:34 AM   #27
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You might wish to recant that unwise LOL remark.

Data Cryptography laws are well known to be heinously strict in China, possibly the strictest in the world ...
I didn't mean you made anything wrong in that. I simple showed in that post that almost all Chinese people are breaking the laws -- by possessing a heterodyne receiver for example.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 04:44 AM   #28
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This web board also is not a place to promote illegal software regardless of country laws in question, regardless of how draconian they are or unjust, or discuss piracy also, so please do keep that in mind. Laws are laws and they must be obeyed.
Exactly. That is why I disgust Deepin. The company Deepin is a gang of criminals grown up by distributing illegal cpoies of Microsoft Windows.

Furthermore, a member of the Deepin gang accused me in this thread of discriminating the Chinese nationality because I don't like Deepin. That is pure nonsense. I do like the disctribusions created by honest Chinese people. Actually I've been using RedFlag, Xteam, and Bluepoint.
 
Old 10-12-2012, 04:55 AM   #29
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Exactly. That is why I disgust Deepin. The company Deepin is a gang of criminals grown up by distributing illegal cpoies of Microsoft Windows.

Furthermore, a member of the Deepin gang accused me in this thread of discriminating the Chinese nationality because I don't like Deepin. That is pure nonsense. I do like the disctribusions created by honest Chinese people. Actually I've been using RedFlag, Xteam, and Bluepoint.
In this case, you are free to sue us to the police if you think we are illegal. You cannot even get the point and tone in my previous post, my friend.

I'd choose to ignore your post since you aren't sane in your mind, this time and ever.
 
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In this case, you are free to sue us to the police if you think we are illegal. You cannot even get the point and tone in my previous post, my friend.

I'd choose to ignore your post since you aren't sane in your mind, this time and ever.
Actually another gang like you have already been put into prison. Just search the Internet for "tomatolei case".

And don't call me "friend". I don't like you.
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