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Old 12-23-2012, 08:33 AM   #1
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Slackware Friendly Laptop


Not sure if this is the right place for this questions and it can't be the first time asked. But times change so I'm thinking the answer will too.

My HP DV2945SE with Slackware 14.0 64 is slowly dying. The sound card has quit. Its gets WAY too hot, and the battery is only good for 1.2 hour. Anyway, I'm in the market for a lower level laptop. About $500-$650 range. So what is considered the best laptop that is Slackware Friendly.

I don't have a lot of stipulations. I do play a few online games, nothing hardcore. And I've read where the Intel dual and quad cores are best for that as opposed to AMD's. Though my HP AMD Turion X2 has been a good one.

So any insight other slackers might have, I would be interested in hearing.

Thanks, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all,
Ace
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:44 AM   #2
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Just be very careful about getting one with Nvidia Optimus. I have a Samsung i5 - it's very nice - but this issue with the graphic cards is just the pits. If I had realised exactly what was happening from the start, I never would have bought it. I use bumblebee to make it work, and I can "play" games, but it seems to get so much hotter than my previous machine which did have a proper built-in Nvidia card.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 08:58 AM   #3
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Just be very careful about getting one with Nvidia Optimus. I have a Samsung i5 - it's very nice - but this issue with the graphic cards is just the pits. If I had realised exactly what was happening from the start, I never would have bought it. I use bumblebee to make it work, and I can "play" games, but it seems to get so much hotter than my previous machine which did have a proper built-in Nvidia card.
I have a Dell XPS L702X with Opitmus, that was setup using 'Bumblebeed', once you setup properly everything works without issue(s). Maybe you should try 'Bumblebeed'. You can implement both Intel and/or Nvidia with the utilities.Look at: LQ post #79 for some helpful information.Currently running 'Slackware 14.0'.

Personally my choices are Dell refurbished Laptops, you get a great buy for $$ spent.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:10 AM   #4
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Yes, but the best choice consists in buying a naked laptop, so no f... Optimus nor UEFI.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:14 AM   #5
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Just be very careful about getting one with Nvidia Optimus. I have a Samsung i5 - it's very nice - but this issue with the graphic cards is just the pits. If I had realised exactly what was happening from the start, I never would have bought it. I use bumblebee to make it work, and I can "play" games, but it seems to get so much hotter than my previous machine which did have a proper built-in Nvidia card.
Optimus is only a problem if you actually want the ability to switch between the Intel and the NVIDIA video cards without doing a reboot. I have an Optimus and I selected NVIDIA in the BIOS and it runs like any other NVIDIA card, without Bumblebee or any other special consideration.

Getting back to the original question, I use a Lenovo Thinkpad and it is working fine.
 
Old 12-23-2012, 09:43 AM   #6
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Had this one out in detail recently

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...at-4175436559/

They don't get much longer than that! 2 things were missed

1. If you buy a box with windows 8, m$ insist on certain restrictive practises (the bios has m$ registered keys in nvram and this is the database of acceptable keys. Anything modifying the database has to be signed with the m$ key. So, dual boot is effectively impossible until the m$ key is cracked.

2. You wouldn't want dual boot anyhow - windows 8 is terrible. But to get away from UEFI and get legacy boot, you need to change the disk from gpt to mbr.

I got fond of my twin turion with the amd chipset too. The only reasonable AMD offering now is the A10.
 
Old 12-24-2012, 07:16 AM   #7
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Yes, but the best choice consists in buying a naked laptop, so no f... Optimus nor UEFI.
FUD! 'UEFI' is nothing more than a protocol of which is long over due. 'BIOS' has been hacked so much to get us where we can use on modern hardware. As to the function of the protocol 'Secure Boot', to many people are misinformed. If you see a Win/8 logo on the Laptop or Desktop you are assured that 'UEFI' has 'Secure boot'. You can use the utilities to introduce your 'KEK' so as to have the abilities to modify. Good luck in finding your 'Naked Laptop' in the future since the market will be driving to 'UEFI' usage since 'BIOS' is reaching limitations or restrictions of it's own.

As to 'Optimus', using Gnu/Linux is just the matter of using utilities to provide selection of either Intel or Nvidia for control. I happened to choose 'Bumblebeed' with 'optirun' to control the chipset for applications. When setup properly there are no issues.
 
Old 12-24-2012, 09:42 AM   #8
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Thanks for the input people. Looks like I'm going to be putting a square peg in a round hole, no matter how I go.

1) I want to dual boot or at least that what I have currently as a necessity.
2) I'm not up on the BIOS vs UEFI condition. Don't even know what UEFI is. Man I miss the DOS days when I was a little more ahead of the curve.
3) I didn't want to have to use "wrapper" style set ups. Its been nice having NVIDIA and Broadcom drivers from the vendors. Though I won't miss the whole Broadcom B43 hit/miss nightmare.

In any case it won't be as bad given I'll still have my DV2945 to use until I have the new one up and going.

Thanks again guys.

Ace
 
Old 12-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #9
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Yes, it is a nightmare but I've recently travelled it.

Wifi is ok. Even the dreaded b43 never was a battle here. A few golden rules as of this moment
1. Make sure the other OS is windows 7. Windows 8 is no use to you. It's no system installed, except worse.
2. Look for an A10 & no extra gpu. That gives you a reasonable cpu and a hd 7660 gpu, which is quite good enough.

As for uefi - it's a triple lock no boot system in the bios to avoid boot viruses
http://www.uefi.org/home/
 
Old 12-24-2012, 10:59 AM   #10
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As for uefi - it's a triple lock no boot system in the bios to avoid boot viruses
http://www.uefi.org/home/
My opinion about it ? Bullshit !
 
Old 12-24-2012, 01:07 PM   #11
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Thanks for the insight BK, and the opinion P.

I have briefly read about it. Sound community driven. Why would companies like MS cater to what could be perceived as a moving target or future unsupported technology?

Meanwhile I haven't heard a lot of good things about Win 8. I think I'll first look for machine with win7. So I can dual boot.

Thanks again guys
Ace
 
  


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