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Old 08-10-2008, 08:42 PM   #1
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slackware for home server


i would like to build a home server that can share files and printer, ftp server, stream media, receive/print faxes, and backup files and computers (and someday be a web server). i would like it to have a small footprint and to be able to wake on lan and to remotely configure through a web browser (webmin?).

i am sure slackware can do this... the question is, how would a newbie get started?

can i start with zipslack and add what i need? also, exactly what do i need to do the above? i don't mind messing around in a terminal, but i would like to eventually use something like webmin to maintain it.

thanks,
j
 
Old 08-10-2008, 09:09 PM   #2
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Well, you certainly don't want to use Zip Slack (I am not even sure this is still maintained, actually); go with the newest release (12.1) so you have the most up-to-date software.

As for what you specifically need to accomplish the goal, that is a little too broad of a question to answer in just one topic. You would want to start with a full install, and then configure each service based on your needs. It sounds like almost everything you want can be done with Samba (which also includes a web-based configuration tool); the only thing I am not sure about are the faxes (I wasn't aware anyone still used fax, to be perfectly honest). FTP would be done with either of the FTP servers that Slackware comes with.

As for webmin specifically, this is not included in Slackware and probably never will be. You would have to install that yourself if you want to use it.

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Old 08-10-2008, 09:29 PM   #3
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the slackware webpage says it needs 3.5 gb for a full install. this does not sound like something i should use for a file/print/ftp server. is there stuff i can take out to get it down to less than 1 gb (maybe even down to 1/2 gb)?

maybe i can use slax + ftp server + samba?

thanks for the help.
j
 
Old 08-10-2008, 09:48 PM   #4
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You can get it down to less than 1GB... I have Slackware running on an old machine with a 300MB harddisk, but just for fun.

Forget about anything graphical etc. Choose your packages one by one during install and you can get way below 1GB. But use the standard version, not Slax.

Keep us updated!
 
Old 08-10-2008, 10:00 PM   #5
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Hi,
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i would like to build a home server that can share files and printer, ftp server, stream media, receive/print faxes, and backup files and computers (and someday be a web server). i would like it to have a small footprint and to be able to wake on lan and to remotely configure through a web browser (webmin?).

i am sure slackware can do this... the question is, how would a newbie get started?

can i start with zipslack and add what i need? also, exactly what do i need to do the above? i don't mind messing around in a terminal, but i would like to eventually use something like webmin to maintain it.

thanks,
j
I would do a Slackware 12.1 'Minimal System' install. Then you could build from there.

You could look at 'Linux Home Networking' to get an idea of how to setup a SOHO.

'LAMP' is another good place to get some setup reference for 'Web development platform based on Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP, a programming language for which Perl or Python is sometimes substituted.'

These links and others can be found at 'Slackware-Links' . More than just SlackwareŽ links!
 
Old 08-10-2008, 10:07 PM   #6
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You can pick what packages you want during install to get a very small system. The problem is, if you're a newbie you might not know what you need and what you don't! Even if you're not a newbie it can be daunting. You would have to do your research to find out exactly what is required for a minimal functioning system, and then what you needed in addition to that.

Another approach would be to install something like debian netinstall, which is very minimal, only a base system. Then to that you add what packages you want with the apt-get or aptitude tool. That way would be much easier for a newbie, imho! You automatically get a base system that works, and then you just have to know the package name for what you want (webmin, apache, cups, samba, etc.) and debian will add the dependencies for you.

If your objective is to really get into the nuts and bolts of what a base linux system needs, then slackware would be ideal. If you just want to get up and running as quickly as possible, I think in that case debian would be better!
 
Old 08-10-2008, 10:16 PM   #7
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Hi,

I'm sorry but this is a Slackware forum. The user wants to use Slackware so why recommend debian as a out?

The wiki that I linked for a minimal install will give a good outline as to what you would need to start the build. The user could then add what was needed to specialize the installation.
 
Old 08-10-2008, 10:27 PM   #8
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Hi,

I'm sorry but this is a Slackware forum. The user wants to use Slackware so why recommend debian as a out?

The wiki that I linked for a minimal install will give a good outline as to what you would need to start the build. The user could then add what was needed to specialize the installation.
He's not really sure what he wants to use. He said he was a newbie, so how could he know? He just said he -thought- slackware would do what he wants. Slackware will do what he wants just fine -- with some work. So will debian, with less work. I never said don't use slackware or to use debian as an "out," I just gave him some honest advice letting him know what he was getting into in each case.

You posted that message as I was typing, so I didn't see it before I posted. But it's a good reference, exactly the type I had in mind when I recommended to him to do some research! He also said he wanted a small footprint, and someone else said do a full slackware install. So respectfully I think that is more worthy of criticism than what I wrote! I hope this isn't just a "bash the newbie" session, I was just trying to give some straight advice so he can choose for himself and get the best system for his needs, which might not be the best system for my needs or for your needs!
 
Old 08-10-2008, 10:39 PM   #9
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Quote:
I'm sorry but this is a Slackware forum. The user wants to use Slackware so why recommend debian as a out?
No, this is a Linux forum, Slackware being one of the subdivisions of that. This site is called LinuxQuestions for a reason; it's not a competition to see which distribution gets the most users, or a way to further personal agendas or politics; but to answer questions and help users reach whatever their individual goal is.

If Slackware meets that goal, great. If Debian or one of the other distributions might do a better job, then they should be encouraged to use that.
 
Old 08-11-2008, 11:39 AM   #10
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Hi,

I stand corrected!

I thought this was a Slackware forum on LQ. Which to me means reference to Slackware.

I believe there is a Debian forum on LQ. So why wasn't the request posted there?

The right to recommend is your individual right and I didn't intend to do harm but to state the Forum was Slackware. If you took offense then all be it I own you an apology for my pointing out the forum was Slackware.

I just don't agree with your statement that I was wrong about my point of view concerning the use of the forum. So to be open and courteous to others I recommend that the OP use whatever he/she wishes to use. But that Slackware would be the best of all the distributions available for such use!
 
Old 08-15-2008, 07:04 PM   #11
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what would be the disadvantage to using slax? (i hope no one is offended by the thought... but slax is slackware based)

the reason i ask is it some features that i am looking for...
1 lightweight
2 can be installed to usb/cf
3 i can easily strip off the desktop, and then add it back if needed.

i think all i would need to add is samba and an ftp server, and then someday add LAMP.


that being said... i am the process of installing slackware with the minimum list posted above, but i have run into some issues with the kernel and my processor (via). i think i will end up having to do a reinstall... but that topic is for a different thread.
 
Old 08-16-2008, 09:53 AM   #12
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by ?xunil View Post
what would be the disadvantage to using slax? (i hope no one is offended by the thought... but slax is slackware based)

the reason i ask is it some features that i am looking for...
1 lightweight
2 can be installed to usb/cf
3 i can easily strip off the desktop, and then add it back if needed.

i think all i would need to add is samba and an ftp server, and then someday add LAMP.


that being said... i am the process of installing slackware with the minimum list posted above, but i have run into some issues with the kernel and my processor (via). i think i will end up having to do a reinstall... but that topic is for a different thread.
The disadvantage would be that you are using a fork and not Slackware. You can trim the Slackware to suit the installation.
 
Old 08-17-2008, 05:54 AM   #13
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it doesn't matter which distro you use linux is linux, each distro or fork or ... just does it a little different. If slax offers or is advertising the things you want to do and the way you want to do it, it might be your best bet.

If I were you and slax advertised what I was looking for I would use it. If you have another machine or can reboot your server anytime maybe play with other distros while you are using slax. Basically you can do anything you want with any linux distro but each is setup a little different from the get go so that it is easier to do somethings with it then others.

As to this being a slackware forum so we cant talk about other distros, well take this then, DEBIAN you hear me boy, DEBIAN!!! Personally I prefer slackware to debian though which is why I come to the slackware forum. If you choose another distro you might want to go to their forum, but it doesn't matter I use suse and fedora too, I peruse those forums as well.

Welcome to the Linux community! We really are a swell bunch of people.
 
Old 08-17-2008, 11:33 PM   #14
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<snip>

As to this being a slackware forum so we cant talk about other distros, well take this then, DEBIAN you hear me boy, DEBIAN!!! Personally I prefer slackware to debian though which is why I come to the slackware forum. If you choose another distro you might want to go to their forum, but it doesn't matter I use suse and fedora too, I peruse those forums as well.

Welcome to the Linux community! We really are a swell bunch of people.

Childish!

No one said you couldn't talk about other distributions on this forum. I made no such statement. I stated that if the user would want to use Slackware other than a fork then so be it. Slax is a fork of Slackware. I didn't say anything about not using it. Just that if you want the real thing then use Slackware and trim to suit your needs. There are guidelines for server and minimal system builds that can be utilized for any distribution not just Slackware.

I haven't made the restrictions that you outline. I recommend the use of other distributions all the time. The drift of the OP was to create a server with possibly using Slackware. His/her worry was about the use by a newbie too use it effectively therefore creating a workable server.
 
Old 08-19-2008, 08:42 PM   #15
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now that we are settled on slackware, and i have the base install complete (infact this message is being composed in links from the terminal)... this still seems to be a lot of unneccessary stuff for a home server (i used the base install from above)... is this an absolute bare minimum? if so, does anyone have a similar list of what slackware packages need to be added for a home server? i'm looking for ftp server, samba, python, apache, mysql, php, webmin... and any other recommendations. thanks, j
 
  


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