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Old 05-31-2005, 12:46 AM   #61
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Originally posted by Ilgar
Pat (single-handedly) managed to keep his distro alive more than any other one. I don't think that he will kill Slack by making an obvious mistake. He's not the one that goes fastest; but clearly he knows how to drive safe .
yes and it being the oldest Distribution, Tells me it has a far stabler future, I did find out, SuSe was a throw off from Slackware too.
 
Old 05-31-2005, 02:13 AM   #62
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yes and it being the oldest Distribution, Tells me it has a far stabler future, I did find out, SuSe was a throw off from Slackware too.
How odd ...
They have RPM, they've use SysV inits for ages, ... :)

Where did you hear that?


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Old 05-31-2005, 02:41 AM   #63
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yes and it being the oldest Distribution, Tells me it has a far stabler future, I did find out, SuSe was a throw off from Slackware too.
From what i've heard about SuSe (never used it myself) that's one hell of a split. Like when South America and Africa split.
 
Old 05-31-2005, 03:15 AM   #64
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Just what happened to Solaris, started using BSD and then changed to InitV, or so I heard. Which bring me to the point.

Considering this thread about innovation and stuff, I have a question, and this is the single point that had driven me away from Slack into BSD territory, but always looking back.

If Slack is so alike to BSD, meaning it uses the same init system and users from both systems feel at home almost right away. How come there is not (that I know of, yet again I have been away from UNIX for a while) a system similar to the BSD port system? would that be difficult to accomplish? is there one already? if so, how mature it is in its development? I heard of emerde, but I am not so thrilled about it.

I do believe that a Port system a la BSD would harm no one.

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Old 05-31-2005, 07:10 AM   #65
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To be honest, i don't really care if Slack is the oldest or newest distro.. What i care about is that
it has an excellent community
it's frequently updated (core-wise), either officially, or unofficially
it's stable and easy to understand.
it's actually easy to maintain.

As a linux user, i don't expect everything to work 100% after installation, and i expect anyone who uses linux to learn the basics, similar to learning the basics in driving a car or using Windows (how to install a program/driver, how to change resolution, how to search for a file, etc...). Such basics as how to use the CLI, how to edit a file, how to bring up a network or load a module. And moving on to installing drivers, recompiling the kernel, etc...

As a slackware user, i'm expected to know a bit more about how linux operates, and how Slack works.. Seing as slackware isn't the easiest distro to use in terms of a GUI installer, immediate GUI inetrface and reliance on the mouse only... (eg, xandros, mandrake, etc..). It is, however, easy in terms of bringing a machine up, working, and keeping it up in a short ammount of time.

Keeping that in mind, and keeping in mind how easy it is to upgrade packages and edit config files, i don't mind downloading some from LP.net or manually compiling apps to keep my system up to date, when Pat's a bit late in providing the updates...

The unofficial updates work very well, the manual compilation has never been easier with all the vanilla work and good core. I have the latest kernel up and running, along with (more or less) everything else upgraded. It's second nature to me to manually do a few things here and there.. That's how i see myself in being a Slack user.. Otherwise, if i couldn't be bothered, i would have chosen Mandrake or any other distro that does the work for me.

Am i doing too much work in maintanance and updating when i shouldn't be in the first place? Maby.. But i'm the one who'se learning in the end.. For that i'm grateful. Back in the old days with Mandrake, if something broke, then that;s it.. I wouldnt know wtf to do, relied on others to come and fix it, and hope it doesn't muck up again...

Slack makes you work a bit, but teaches you a hell of alot.. Try not to say its out of date by looking at the fact that Slack still uses older versions of Kernel, Apache, etc... But look at the fact that upgrading to the latest bleeding edge is very easy. IMO easier than any other distro i've tried. And if you expect others (like pat) to do it for you, then maby you need another distro

Just my two cents..

Edit: heck, i've never thought i'd be able to, but i've even made the move to Solaris, and it was very easy coz of my prior knowledge of slackware =)
 
Old 05-31-2005, 11:18 AM   #66
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Slackware is maintained, to me, much better than any of the other distributions. Not tossed out and then you have to be a total programmer to make it work. Yes you do need to have a "Hands On" mindset to use it, otherwise why use it??? As for the Oldest, and slpit off to SuSe at one time, these were taken from The Linux Bible 2005", yet it has Slackware 10.0 in it, Knoppix 3.6 and some older Distributions, for a 2005 book, sometimes the writer is just days ahead of the next release. It does have Sarge in it, and FC3, but over all it's a great read and referance for learning Linux in General.
 
Old 05-31-2005, 12:08 PM   #67
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From what i've heard about SuSe (never used it myself) that's one hell of a split. Like when South America and Africa split.
SuSe was born when a few german developpers looked at RedHat, didn't like the bloat, but decided they liked RPM. Then they looked at Slackware, decided they liked the stability, but wanted a package tool that supported dependancies. So they ported RPM to Slackware, and SuSe was born.


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Here is an overview of new features in apache 2.0 link. On that list is not much that will make your site all of a sudden whiz bang full of features just for having 2.0.
On that list is one very important feature for any server: POSIX threading. It won't necessarily improve speed, but it will improve stability across the board, particularly when mixed with some of the features in the 2.6 kernel. On a Pentium 4 that supports Hyperthreading, or on an Opteron or DualCore Athlon64, it will give an enormous performance boost.

That said, I still want Slackware to run on my desktop and my laptop. One has an AthlonM, the other has an AthlonXP. I have absolutely no intention of upgrading either of them, and so a Slack that's optimized for my server environment simply isn't needed. 32-bit code will run on a 64-bit processor, and there's nothing to stop me from compiling my own when installing on a 64-bit system. (indeed, that's exactly what I did when I set up my new server yesterday)
 
Old 05-31-2005, 04:43 PM   #68
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If it's any consolation...I'm using 2.6.11.11 no problem w/ Slack Current and Dropline-Gnome 2.10.1. I don't see what I'm missing (maybe I just don't do enough yet...)

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Old 05-31-2005, 05:00 PM   #69
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If it's any consolation...I'm using 2.6.11.11 no problem w/ Slack Current and Dropline-Gnome 2.10.1. I don't see what I'm missing (maybe I just don't do enough yet...)
That last "11" makes alot of difference - everybody else tripped over the rocks so you didn't have to.
I run various 2.6.11 kernels, from "dot six" onwards - they're all pretty stable. Wasn't always so.

Now that the bitkeeper fiasco has died down the candidate levels for 2.6.12 are rolling again - but obviously that's of no interest to the members of this forum ...
 
Old 05-31-2005, 09:16 PM   #70
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Why is the last "11" a big deal? (Major fixes?) Thanks!
-Galen
 
Old 06-01-2005, 12:16 AM   #71
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Nothing magical about the "dot 11" - just that it's got all the previous fixes incorporated.
Presuming (of course) you pulled the full source.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 03:44 AM   #72
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Heh
11th time lucky :D


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Old 06-01-2005, 04:06 AM   #73
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Don't give up do you ???.
So what about 2.4 - what are you on, 2.4.29 ?????

Everything develops - that's what we all want/need.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 11:40 AM   #74
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Originally posted by franznietzsche
Much more likely it was "Bob"


Agreed.


just found out about bob....

http://www.modemac.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Linux_Utilities

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Old 06-01-2005, 01:29 PM   #75
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Don't give up do you ???.
Not easily.
Mind you, neither do you - keep harping on about
how 2.6 is the best thing since sliced bread ;)


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So what about 2.4 - what are you on, 2.4.29 ?????
On 2.4.30 ... note that there's no .11 after the 30 :D


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Everything develops - that's what we all want/need.
Bad misconception: not all things new are necessarily better
than what one had before.

1 Thes 5,21 - prove all things; hold fast that which is good;

As far as I'm concerned 2.6. has been weighed (repeatedly)
and found wanting. Even 11.11.



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