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Old 08-22-2012, 12:42 PM   #16
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Use the time you are wasting here.
Certainly been a waste of time deciphering your cryptic posts. Or rather your trolling.
 
Old 08-22-2012, 01:02 PM   #17
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Yes it was intended as a light-hearted quip made for comedy value and the Time Machine reference in his/her chosen username, I certainly wasn't expecting the implied threat of violence I got in response.

As Alien Bob so succinctly put it earlier: *plonk*
Another good example of the "formatting" accepted here. You must agree in all
with people like Eric. Take what you honestly think to other place.

I am he. From now you can call me Morlock. :-)
 
Old 08-22-2012, 01:07 PM   #18
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Certainly been a waste of time deciphering your cryptic posts. Or rather your trolling.
Honestly. Download the Rute Linux manual (a bit outdated but good), Slackware
book or any of the lot of manuals about Linux basics. You will thanks me this
sugestion and you will understand my "cryptic" posts. I am not trolling, I
have better things to do with my life.

I really like your web site. That's why I used in one of my posts the new
Google interface like an example. Your site is not bloated of java script
that today are widely used like a "modern" interface. "Modern" is more about
fashion than innovation.

Last edited by eloi; 08-22-2012 at 01:25 PM.
 
Old 08-22-2012, 01:14 PM   #19
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All, stop the trolling and insulting. This thread, despite its topic, could be kept civilized for about 230 posts, so now don't change that.
 
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Old 08-22-2012, 01:39 PM   #20
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@ eloi
By "formatting", I meant the length of the lines of text in your posts, nothing to do with the content.
 
Old 08-22-2012, 02:24 PM   #21
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@ eloi
By "formatting", I meant the length of the lines of text in your posts, nothing to do with the content.
Well, I am happy to hear that. My apologies brianL.
See I use pentadactyl. So I press C+I in the textarea
and get opened rxvt with vi. I use vi for all. Some
time ago I understood why hard wrap of lines was not a
Stone Age practice. For example, I edit shell, php,
latex, and mails, all with vi. But if you use soft
wrapped lines, like by default use Kate, Quanta, Kile or
Kmail you will see a slow down in scrolling a very
large file. It is less hard to the buffer (memory) of
your editor to read short lines. One more reason to
learn and appreciate the real KISS Unix philosophy.
For those interested take a look to the "ed" man page.
It will take you just twenty minutes to learn how to
use ed, of course you will not use that editor today
but it is a good way to see how minds like Ken
Thompson work. A good way to understand the KISS
philosophy so much mentioned here by KDE users.

I interpreted Black Poetry like another reference
to my bad english and my "cryptic" approach.
After suffering Mercury305 comments I am a bit
susceptible. I promise to calm down. :-)

Now I've used a 54 columns wide.
Again my apologies.

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Old 08-22-2012, 03:27 PM   #22
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eloi, you said you used vi (by which I assume elvis) but if you use vim this makes everyone happy. I word-wrap with line-breaks at a fixed width in e-mails but not on forums (or other web pages).
 
Old 08-22-2012, 03:41 PM   #23
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My apologies brianL.
No need.
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See I use pentadactyl.
I thought it was iambic pentameter.
 
Old 08-22-2012, 10:46 PM   #24
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Totally off topic, but unless you are referencing every word in another post, please hit QUOTE and then PLEASE (please, pretty please) edit said quote to the pertinent information you will be referencing. It makes the thread much easier to read. Thanks
 
Old 08-22-2012, 11:05 PM   #25
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Honestly. Download the Rute Linux manual (a bit outdated but good), Slackware
book or any of the lot of manuals about Linux basics. You will thanks me this
sugestion and you will understand my "cryptic" posts. I am not trolling, I
have better things to do with my life.

I really like your web site. That's why I used in one of my posts the new
Google interface like an example. Your site is not bloated of java script
that today are widely used like a "modern" interface. "Modern" is more about
fashion than innovation.
You have a roundabout way of saying things which takes time for me to understand. I am unsure about whether you are insulting or complimenting me, but OK, thanks for the clarification and you thoughts about my website.

Last edited by vharishankar; 08-22-2012 at 11:07 PM.
 
Old 08-23-2012, 05:39 AM   #26
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eloi, you said you used vi (by which I assume elvis) but if you use vim this makes everyone happy. I word-wrap with line-breaks at a fixed width in e-mails but not on forums (or other web pages).
No, I don't like elvis. Some times I use nvi, some
times vim. But even using Kate I would configure it
to use hard wrapped lines.

See, being the masses the real dictator you will find
that most web interfaces are designed to make Windows
users happy.

One annoying example are the widely speared tickets
interfaces. I spent three days sending messages to
the manager of a known FreeBSD based hosting company
without receiving an answer. I end removing the
service I've purchased thinking that the site was
abandoned. I realize later that the problem was that
the tickets interface removed all text below the
quotation. The interface assumed you used top posting
(Window Messenger practice).

If you want make everyone happy (Windows and Unix
users) you should change the perl regex on the php
code to insert paragraph html tags just when "more
than one" new line characters appear (I assume that you
use pre html tags for code).

Other good advice is to reduce a bit the font size. A
user with a small screen should be able to read the
posts with at least 64 characters wide columns.

Finally, this interface hide the signature of the
postings when you are not logged in. You have no need
to do that since the interface use tags to informe
google to "ignore" the links included. The
misunderstood I had with the Alien Bob post was in
part because of this.

Off topic, but useful.
 
Old 08-23-2012, 06:48 AM   #27
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@eloi: your posts come out looking horrible and unreadable on many small devices. Let the browser decide the wrapping that is appropriate for the device (or screen). Don't try to decide these things for me by forcing hard wrapping that happens to suit you.
 
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:55 AM   #28
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@eloi: your posts come out looking horrible and unreadable on many small devices. Let the browser decide the wrapping that is appropriate for the device (or screen). Don't try to decide these things for me by forcing hard wrapping that happens to suit you.
same problem here: unreadable from the phone.
 
Old 08-23-2012, 07:26 AM   #29
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Please get this thread back on topic RSN,
TIA.
 
Old 08-23-2012, 07:50 AM   #30
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You have a roundabout way of saying things which takes time for me to understand. I am unsure about whether you are insulting or complimenting me, but OK, thanks for the clarification and you thoughts about my website.
Try to understand the reasons behind instead of judge
what I say in a TRUE|FALSE way. Do you think that my
interest of posting here is complimenting or insulting
people?

My roundabout way of saying things aims to avoid to be
trolled or accused of trolling each time I say
something that could hurt the "fans" TRUE|FALSE
approach. Perhaps doing that I got the opposite
effect :-).

By the way, I know that my english is horrible. But
perhaps the mistake I did referencing to the links in
the Alien Bob's post added confusion.

I will give you an example that I wish will clarify my
"cryptic" posts. I've read just one more Alien Bob
article (in my life. And no, I am not experimenting
nothing symilar to an obsesson with his articles)
besides the games one. The first one was this*:

http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/inte...the-gnome-out/

I made comments there like Walter (my real name). Read my
comments and think again about how giving WYSIWYG
facilities to Windows like users could not be
compatible with a KISS intended system. Do you see the
relation with systemd issue? We are talking about
rc init scripts.

You use Debian. Well, the Network Manager run like a
daemon and is included in init.d. To be able to get a
connection with simple tools like iwconfig (in case NM
can't, which was the case with some Ralink chipsets)
you must first kill the network manager process. Try
now to restart the networking process on Debian:

/etc/init.d/networking restart

and see what happens. Then search in Google or Debian
forums the solution for the issue. You will see why
Lennart is fixing the fix.

Now I will point something that will hurt the feelings
of a lot of new Linux desktop users. The history tell
us that till now (let's see what happens with
Android), in the same way Windows won "naturally" its
place in desktop market, Unix do it in server side.
It could be said that in "general" terms the
modifications you do to a OS to facilitate things to
desktop users are in the better case useless to the
server side. In the worst case they add bugs,
security holes, incompatibilities, besides to gratuity
complicate thinks to the server admin. I reach to the
point to be asked by a VPS provider to update my
kernel (Slackware virtual machine on CentOS) to update
glibc (what he guessed was the cause of the issue),
based in what a Debian user (one of his clients) had
done to fix the issue because apt-get (I ignore if
this is true) resolved the glib package like a kernel
package dependency. The funny thing was that I had no
need to have a kernel installed in Slackware, the
kernel used was a patched CentOS one :-). That's the
dark side of automagically resolving dependencies in
package managers. See? Now I am pointing something
negative about debian dependencies, am I insulting you
now?

Furthermore. In general terms the more you facilitate
the computer use to humans the more you complicate
things to the system. And in the same sense I told
that Unix won "naturally" a good place on the server
side market I consider what Apple did "counter natural"
to the Unix bases. I could give you examples but I
don't want to write a book here :-).

At some point you (and Linux in general) must stablish
priorities and choose to what extent to serve God or
daemons.


Walter


(*) Eric didn't feel insulted in that opportunity.
 
  


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