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with people like Eric. Take what you honestly think to other place. I am he. From now you can call me Morlock. :-) |
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book or any of the lot of manuals about Linux basics. You will thanks me this sugestion and you will understand my "cryptic" posts. I am not trolling, I have better things to do with my life. I really like your web site. That's why I used in one of my posts the new Google interface like an example. Your site is not bloated of java script that today are widely used like a "modern" interface. "Modern" is more about fashion than innovation. |
All, stop the trolling and insulting. This thread, despite its topic, could be kept civilized for about 230 posts, so now don't change that.
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By "formatting", I meant the length of the lines of text in your posts, nothing to do with the content. |
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See I use pentadactyl. So I press C+I in the textarea and get opened rxvt with vi. I use vi for all. Some time ago I understood why hard wrap of lines was not a Stone Age practice. For example, I edit shell, php, latex, and mails, all with vi. But if you use soft wrapped lines, like by default use Kate, Quanta, Kile or Kmail you will see a slow down in scrolling a very large file. It is less hard to the buffer (memory) of your editor to read short lines. One more reason to learn and appreciate the real KISS Unix philosophy. For those interested take a look to the "ed" man page. It will take you just twenty minutes to learn how to use ed, of course you will not use that editor today but it is a good way to see how minds like Ken Thompson work. A good way to understand the KISS philosophy so much mentioned here by KDE users. I interpreted Black Poetry like another reference to my bad english and my "cryptic" approach. After suffering Mercury305 comments I am a bit susceptible. I promise to calm down. :-) Now I've used a 54 columns wide. Again my apologies. |
eloi, you said you used vi (by which I assume elvis) but if you use vim this makes everyone happy. I word-wrap with line-breaks at a fixed width in e-mails but not on forums (or other web pages).
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Totally off topic, but unless you are referencing every word in another post, please hit QUOTE and then PLEASE (please, pretty please) edit said quote to the pertinent information you will be referencing. It makes the thread much easier to read. Thanks :)
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times vim. But even using Kate I would configure it to use hard wrapped lines. See, being the masses the real dictator you will find that most web interfaces are designed to make Windows users happy. One annoying example are the widely speared tickets interfaces. I spent three days sending messages to the manager of a known FreeBSD based hosting company without receiving an answer. I end removing the service I've purchased thinking that the site was abandoned. I realize later that the problem was that the tickets interface removed all text below the quotation. The interface assumed you used top posting (Window Messenger practice). If you want make everyone happy (Windows and Unix users) you should change the perl regex on the php code to insert paragraph html tags just when "more than one" new line characters appear (I assume that you use pre html tags for code). Other good advice is to reduce a bit the font size. A user with a small screen should be able to read the posts with at least 64 characters wide columns. Finally, this interface hide the signature of the postings when you are not logged in. You have no need to do that since the interface use tags to informe google to "ignore" the links included. The misunderstood I had with the Alien Bob post was in part because of this. Off topic, but useful. |
@eloi: your posts come out looking horrible and unreadable on many small devices. Let the browser decide the wrapping that is appropriate for the device (or screen). Don't try to decide these things for me by forcing hard wrapping that happens to suit you.
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Please get this thread back on topic RSN,
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what I say in a TRUE|FALSE way. Do you think that my interest of posting here is complimenting or insulting people? My roundabout way of saying things aims to avoid to be trolled or accused of trolling each time I say something that could hurt the "fans" TRUE|FALSE approach. Perhaps doing that I got the opposite effect :-). By the way, I know that my english is horrible. But perhaps the mistake I did referencing to the links in the Alien Bob's post added confusion. I will give you an example that I wish will clarify my "cryptic" posts. I've read just one more Alien Bob article (in my life. And no, I am not experimenting nothing symilar to an obsesson with his articles) besides the games one. The first one was this*: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/inte...the-gnome-out/ I made comments there like Walter (my real name). Read my comments and think again about how giving WYSIWYG facilities to Windows like users could not be compatible with a KISS intended system. Do you see the relation with systemd issue? We are talking about rc init scripts. You use Debian. Well, the Network Manager run like a daemon and is included in init.d. To be able to get a connection with simple tools like iwconfig (in case NM can't, which was the case with some Ralink chipsets) you must first kill the network manager process. Try now to restart the networking process on Debian: /etc/init.d/networking restart and see what happens. Then search in Google or Debian forums the solution for the issue. You will see why Lennart is fixing the fix. Now I will point something that will hurt the feelings of a lot of new Linux desktop users. The history tell us that till now (let's see what happens with Android), in the same way Windows won "naturally" its place in desktop market, Unix do it in server side. It could be said that in "general" terms the modifications you do to a OS to facilitate things to desktop users are in the better case useless to the server side. In the worst case they add bugs, security holes, incompatibilities, besides to gratuity complicate thinks to the server admin. I reach to the point to be asked by a VPS provider to update my kernel (Slackware virtual machine on CentOS) to update glibc (what he guessed was the cause of the issue), based in what a Debian user (one of his clients) had done to fix the issue because apt-get (I ignore if this is true) resolved the glib package like a kernel package dependency. The funny thing was that I had no need to have a kernel installed in Slackware, the kernel used was a patched CentOS one :-). That's the dark side of automagically resolving dependencies in package managers. See? Now I am pointing something negative about debian dependencies, am I insulting you now? Furthermore. In general terms the more you facilitate the computer use to humans the more you complicate things to the system. And in the same sense I told that Unix won "naturally" a good place on the server side market I consider what Apple did "counter natural" to the Unix bases. I could give you examples but I don't want to write a book here :-). At some point you (and Linux in general) must stablish priorities and choose to what extent to serve God or daemons. Walter (*) Eric didn't feel insulted in that opportunity. |
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