slackware and systemd (OT)
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Save all I've written in this thread to a txt and backup it to a CD. Read it again ten years from now. If you still don't understand do it again twenty years from now and so on. One day you'll may want to apologize. The key is roquesor. |
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Let's see if some years from now you understand my logic. ;-) Save all I've written in this thread to a txt and backup it to a CD. Read it again ten years from now. If you still don't understand do it again twenty years from now and so on. One day you'll may want to apologize. The key is roquesor. There is no need to patronise. Just granting yourself a sense of supreme knowledge and entitlement does not all of a sudden make your argument logical. |
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drugs are bad. |
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When kikinovak told me about GPS, motorcycles and milk I could answer him "What relation have motorcycles and milk with systemd?" But, without consuming drugs and not having any supreme knowledge, I am able to understand an analogy. Besides rational, you need abstraction and association capabilities. And what is more important, maturity. All that will not grant you a supreme knowledge but at least you will not chatter away like Mercury305 does (hey, he is a clever guy and he is not bad intentioned; just a bit annoying and naive). There are two points I agree with Stallman. 1) He consider the social-human aspect of the issue more relevant than the technical one. 2) He assumes you will be disposed to renounce to some privileges to stay coherent with your cause. Saying it simple: I find that who really miss the point are those that blame GPL just because they are not able to run some software on linux. More specially when the software is a stupid toy. I used the hyperbole "people suffering starvation" (in part to follow the kikinovak "food" analogy) like an example of the most important human resource in the aim of extending the "priorities" to the whole human-social context (what you expect of somebody talking about ethical behind of individuals rights). Your lecture should be "You are complaining about something that is not relevant to (and coherent with) the context of the ideas of who (Stallman) you criticize". Taking in care you felt entitled to discredit my logic even without having read what I wrote (and without explaining why you think that, what could be considered a plain insult) I will not advice you to save it to a CD; the second time you will do the same. That's what humble people like you use to do: "If I don't understand (at a first sight) is because it has no logic". But you don't offend me at all; I guess the average audience here is too much younger than me; that's why some of you doesn't understand my approach. Besides patronizing, what option I had in front of some kind of comments? For example, you said : "the idea that users have any real power is such an idealistic and unrealistic view of the world". Whithout the aim of insulting, your point of view can be anything but mature. When I talked about users I meant "the masses" not the individual. You, me and even Volkering or Linus have no power at all in front of "supply and demand". If most people likes red apples (yes, about food again) and only you like green ones take for sure the green apples will almost disappear from stores. That's real world. For example, you will see RedHat doing the same that Microsoft in some ways, because both companies are evil? No, to survive in the market they are subordinated to "supply and demand". Why Microsoft would think about selling green apples? The farther your projects are from what "most people do" the harder will be for you to acomplish them, and like a side effect, the more the privileges you will be forced to renounce to keep coherent with your cause. Again read carefully what I've written and (while you don't feel yourself "the owner of True") if you don't understand, at least give me the benefit of the doubt. Now, about systemd (I will over explain for those with low association capabilities). Do you think that those that complain about systemd are because some tech feature? Is it about if systemd is a good or bad piece of software or if it get the job done? Absolutely not. Some users have other concerns at time to administer a Linux system than installing software with Debian Synaptic. For example, you can learn to manage a server with Mandriva Control Center, but what will you do in front of a RedHat, Debian or Slackware machine, installing Mandrake Wizards? :-) In a web server; do you think you need cPanel? Do you think you need phpMyAdmin? Anyway you will be forced to use them just because it is "what most people want". I tried hardly to use Slackware like web server on a VPS (I explained about it in other post in this forum). After a year of having pointless discussions with more than twenty companies around the world I had to end using CentOS (in a reseller). Supply and demand. Now each time I want to make a modification, like updating my custom CA (certificate authority) I must to explain the supposed "Linux Techs" how to edit apache config files because they just know how to do it using cPanel. Those people have no concerns about systemd because they ignore (and have no interest on) how to edit a config file or a shell script. Other example, I had ftp access to an important university site (because a client of mine has a web page there). Just after taking a look (a Solaris OS) I see two backups of the shadow file with world readable permissions. I downloaded it to my machine and after seconds john the ripper cracked more than 30 passwords (most of them "cocacola"). With some of them I get ssh access. That's the kind of *supposed* Unix admins that think that administering Unix from guied wizards is the modern approach. Finally, I am a very, very rare person, in the sense I will accept a good argument even if it goes against my personal (immediate) interests. On the contrary, most people will ignore, attack or even kill you (this is not an hyperbole) just to defend a stupid vicious habit. The today's widespread drugs dependency behavior. Hey, I will no paraphrase again. Be equally exigent with your thinking than you are with the others. |
There's never a ravenous flesh-eating Morlock around when you need one is there?
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@eloi A bit of constructive criticism: could you use the same formatting as the rest of us? I keep trying to read your posts as if they were poetry, blank verse. TIA |
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Haha :) |
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I'd like to see you doing that in front of me. |
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First of all Slackware is not about serving the Users. Slackware is about being Slackware. If it served the masses then it would be just like any distro. There are things that I don't like in Slackware but there are things that I don't like in lets say Ubuntu. Now when you compare the stuff I don't like in Ubuntu and Slackware. I prefer Slackware even though Ubuntu caters to the masses. Slackware serves a specific geeky type of users. Users that don't enjoy GUI automation, and like to dig the underlying cause of how things really work. Just by going with the Masses does not make your distro a good distro. Even if it sells does that make it better? No. My honest opinion? The masses are stupid. The masses watch Football games all day. Believe in most things they see on TV or now adays its Youtube. Which is why there are so many Ron Paul supporters now a days thinking he will save USA. Not realizing that he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. So I myself do not fall into the category of Masses in anything. For example 1 I hate watching sports. 2 I hate "group thinking" and backwards traditions. I am a pragmatist. I don't go for whatever is most popular is the best. I go for what works... Hence, I am not attracted by the OS that the masses use. I only like what I like. I like a lot about Slackware which is why I use it. But I also agree with the rest of the people in here that Patrick should continue making the final decisions. Why? Because I like his style. Even if I don't agree with everything with him. I still like the end product more then Ubuntu. Even if its a pain to download and install software on Slackware over Ubuntu. I still prefer the System so much more because I feel I can control it easier... yes, even with my limited knowledge on Linux. Slackware is great the way Patrick makes it. All I can do is give him recommendations and he can choose what he wants to add into it or not. I like that. Slackware is IMMUNE to that whole Supply and Demand theory you have spit out. Why? Because Slackware is not about the Money. If it was Patrick would be working at Red Hat right now most likely. But Patrick is doing what he wants to do in his distro and that my friend is Priceless. Slackware is thus a REAL DISTRO. Unlike the User Catered Distros out there. Its like a work of art. Slackware doesn't give a damn what "Users" want. It does what it finds is Right and what works best with Slackware Philosophy. |
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write the post you qualified like "excellent and clever". Let's people here to enjoy your correct english and Slackware users to enjoy its immunity. Excuse me, I have Morlocks and starved childs to feed. |
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to use here. This kind of useful comments are all well received. |
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As Alien Bob so succinctly put it earlier: *plonk* |
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