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marav 11-11-2023 01:36 PM

More info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_compatibility

See § CDDL and GPL

Jeebizz 11-11-2023 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marav (Post 6464212)

This is where the BSD licensing has an advantage as it is more permissive if I am not mistaken and you can include projects under other different licenses such as CDDL with BSD.

Aeterna 11-11-2023 03:28 PM

Interesting discussion made me read more about ZFS and BTRFS: now I am convinced that my next Slackware install will include OpenZFS.

ReaperX7 11-11-2023 05:51 PM

Still waiting on that reply from Oracle... I doubt Oracle would relicense it to GPL, even GPLv2, but even BSDL would be a fair compromise.

https://twitter.com/reaperx7gaming/s...MW881tHHw&s=19

I said I would hit them up... I wasn't joking around. I don't joke around. ASD and ADHD kinda prevent that.

Gerard Lally 11-11-2023 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeterna (Post 6464226)
Interesting discussion made me read more about ZFS and BTRFS: now I am convinced that my next Slackware install will include OpenZFS.

The problem with this is that in an emergency you can't use the Slackware rescue disc / USB drive to access your data. For this reason alone a filesystem with the important features of ZFS, but native to Linux, is preferable. Until recently the only filesystem that ticked all the boxes was Btrfs, but that still has the feel of an experimental filesystem. I think bcachefs is a better prospect, and bcachefs recently moved a step closer to a full merge into the kernel.

marav 11-11-2023 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 6464245)
and bcachefs recently moved a step closer to a full merge into the kernel.

Yes!

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux...rep&q=bcachefs

@Jan K. you're bored with ext4? :D

rkelsen 11-11-2023 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7 (Post 6464240)
Still waiting on that reply from Oracle... I doubt Oracle would relicense it to GPL, even GPLv2, but even BSDL would be a fair compromise.

https://twitter.com/reaperx7gaming/s...MW881tHHw&s=19

I said I would hit them up... I wasn't joking around. I don't joke around. ASD and ADHD kinda prevent that.

You need to understand that the element of risk for Oracle is significant enough to make your request a practical impossibility.

Remember that their entire business model revolves around the proprietary nature of their software and abilities to keep secrets.

Jeebizz 11-11-2023 07:45 PM

I feel like a tweet alone wouldn't even get Oracle's attention. Perhaps some kind of online petition from change.org or something similar might be better? Unless you are able to get a tweet storm who knows.

Aeterna 11-11-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 6464245)
The problem with this is that in an emergency you can't use the Slackware rescue disc / USB drive to access your data. For this reason alone a filesystem with the important features of ZFS, but native to Linux, is preferable. Until recently the only filesystem that ticked all the boxes was Btrfs, but that still has the feel of an experimental filesystem. I think bcachefs is a better prospect, and bcachefs recently moved a step closer to a full merge into the kernel.

ZFS - 2001
BTRFS - 2007
bcachefs - 2015
what to pick what to pick. BTRFS after 16 years just now stopped to be considered experimental and still has problems. I was using OpenZFS in FreeBSD, never had an issue even when just cutting off the power. So I am not afraid about data loss. It is very solid fs.

I think that this whole discussion is a waste of time. Neither Oracle will give up CDDL nor linux GPL.
Just use what's available (including some howtos for Slackware). Or install Ubuntu or move to BSD. Maybe not very convenient but still an option.

Gerard Lally 11-11-2023 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeterna (Post 6464250)
ZFS - 2001
BTRFS - 2007
bcachefs - 2015
what to pick what to pick. BTRFS after 16 years just now stopped to be considered experimental and still has problems. I was using OpenZFS in FreeBSD, never had an issue even when just cutting off the power. So I am not afraid about data loss. It is very solid fs.
.

To be fair bcachefs is an extension of bcache, which has been in development since 2010.

I wasn't getting at data loss, by the way. Just pointing out that there will be friction if you have to rescue a system with a third-party file system.

Gerard Lally 11-11-2023 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeterna (Post 6464250)
I was using OpenZFS in FreeBSD, never had an issue even when just cutting off the power. So I am not afraid about data loss. It is very solid fs.

Sometimes I think the hysteria surrounding filesystems is overblown. I have files from 1993 that have been stored at different times on FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, ext2, ext3, ext4, XFS and FFS2 filesystems.

Aeterna 11-11-2023 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 6464255)
Sometimes I think the hysteria surrounding filesystems is overblown. I have files from 1993 that have been stored at different times on FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, ext2, ext3, ext4, XFS and FFS2 filesystems.

This has nothing to do with hysteria, just freedom of choice. I would say that hysteric reaction is any attempt to defend status quo. It is pretty obvious that ZFS will not be included in Slackware which is quite resonable taking into account licensing. I don't know what are you defending. Do you?

rkelsen 11-11-2023 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard Lally (Post 6464255)
Sometimes I think the hysteria surrounding filesystems is overblown.

This isn't about filesystems.

It's about licensing.

ReaperX7 11-12-2023 12:03 AM

Thank God I didn't ask about ReFS...

chrisretusn 11-12-2023 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7 (Post 6464284)
Thank God I didn't ask about ReFS...

Now that you mention it....


Just kidding. :hattip:


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