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thund3rstruck 05-17-2012 01:42 PM

Recommend a Replacement for KDE?
 
Hi guys,

After 15 years of Linux I'm trying Slackware for the first time and while I'm struggling to get the hang of installing packages and dealing with dependencies manually, I'm having quite a bit of fun overall so far!

Anyways, I've installed SlackWare64 on a brand new Dell Laptop and when I boot into X, KDE takes eons to load and when it does there is a window that its trying to render in the upper left hand of the screen that never gets drawn completely! Just the outline of what is obviously supposed to be a window. On top of that, the damn kdm keeps crashing like its 1999 or something (the last time I tried to use KDE) and I'm about to just give up on KDE.

I want a great looking modern desktop environment (that I can further customize with conky, GLX-Dock, and right click scripts). I have been using gnome for a decade and I love it but I'd kind of like to try out something new.

Any recommendations?

fatalfrrog 05-17-2012 01:53 PM

Update to KDE 4.8.2. The 4.5.5 that ships in 13.37 feels ancient. If not KDE, try something different like fluxbox or dwm. You'll have fun configuring those :)

markush 05-17-2012 01:54 PM

Hi,

I've used fvwm2 for a long time. It is highly configurable, but the configuration has a steep learning-curve.

For me fvwm2 was a replacement for KDE.

If you want to find out why KDE doesn't run properly on your system, please tell us more about your graphics-adapter and which driver you're using.

Markus

thund3rstruck 05-17-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markush (Post 4681097)
Hi,

I've used fvwm2 for a long time. It is highly configurable, but the configuration has a steep learning-curve.

For me fvwm2 was a replacement for KDE.

If you want to find out why KDE doesn't run properly on your system, please tell us more about your graphics-adapter and which driver you're using.

Markus


Thanks Markus! But I need to get a handle on Slackware fundamentals before I start digging into the guts of why KDE is so crashy on this brand new machine (or try upgrading the KDE base).

I just found this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...to-kde-917224/ so it looks like I can switch around without having to install each environment one by one!

dlachausse 05-17-2012 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thund3rstruck (Post 4681089)
Hi guys,

After 15 years of Linux I'm trying Slackware for the first time and while I'm struggling to get the hang of installing packages and dealing with dependencies manually, I'm having quite a bit of fun overall so far!

Anyways, I've installed SlackWare64 on a brand new Dell Laptop and when I boot into X, KDE takes eons to load and when it does there is a window that its trying to render in the upper left hand of the screen that never gets drawn completely! Just the outline of what is obviously supposed to be a window. On top of that, the damn kdm keeps crashing like its 1999 or something (the last time I tried to use KDE) and I'm about to just give up on KDE.

I want a great looking modern desktop environment (that I can further customize with conky, GLX-Dock, and right click scripts). I have been using gnome for a decade and I love it but I'd kind of like to try out something new.

Any recommendations?

You should look into XFCE. If you want to give it a try, type xwmconfig and select XFCE.

dugan 05-17-2012 02:22 PM

You could try disabling desktop effects in KDE. They're on by default.

If the KDM crashes are what I think you're referring to, then try this: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/...n_I_log_out.3F

And yes, Xfce is a great desktop.

markush 05-17-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thund3rstruck (Post 4681105)
...
I just found this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...to-kde-917224/ so it looks like I can switch around without having to install each environment one by one!

Yes, you can use the "xwmconfig" utility in order to switch between the various WMs.

Markus

thund3rstruck 05-17-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thund3rstruck (Post 4681089)
there is a window that its trying to render in the upper left hand of the screen that never gets drawn completely! Just the outline of what is obviously supposed to be a window.

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...whatisthis.jpg

Does anyone have any idea what this is? I think I've got most of my issues worked out but I can't figure out what is this window KDE is trying to draw that I can't interact with. It makes my desktop look really stupid and it overlays every wallpaper.

samac 05-17-2012 06:05 PM

It may be something to do with your graphics card not being configured correctly. You will have to post some details. In a terminal as root run dmesg. lspci, and lsmod. Then search the forum for your graphics card that should sort things out. Hopefully.

samac

sycamorex 05-17-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thund3rstruck (Post 4681224)
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...whatisthis.jpg

Does anyone have any idea what this is? I think I've got most of my issues worked out but I can't figure out what is this window KDE is trying to draw that I can't interact with. It makes my desktop look really stupid and it overlays every wallpaper.

I thought it was a feature. When I briefly tried KDE on 13.37 shortly after it was released I saw exactly the same thing but thought it was some space for icons or widgets.

allend 05-17-2012 06:29 PM

It is a phantom window frame. It was a bug in KDE 4.5.5 that was fixed in later versions.

astrogeek 05-17-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatalfrrog (Post 4681095)
...try something different like fluxbox or dwm. You'll have fun configuring those :)

In defense of Fluxbox - I switched all the machines I support, family and business, to Fluxbox in the early days of KDE4.

It does require a bit of configuration and could not be described as 'feature rich' - but it has turned out to be exactly the thing I needed!

Sure you have to manage your own menus and twiddle with the themes (although there are some very good ones available now), but it pays you back handsomely for your efforts!

Lean, mean and not in your way... give it a try.

aocab 05-17-2012 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thund3rstruck (Post 4681224)
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...whatisthis.jpg

Does anyone have any idea what this is?

Here is one of the old threads where it was discussed:
some-kde-questsions-32bit-13-37

thund3rstruck 05-17-2012 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aocab (Post 4681275)
Here is one of the old threads where it was discussed:
some-kde-questsions-32bit-13-37

Outstanding! You guys rock!

Setting the desktop rendering to XRender removed the phantom window!

I had noticed that if I deleted the user and re-created it and logged in then the problem goes away until the next time I logged in. I didn't want to go the route of posting lspci and all that jazz because this is a brand new, top of the line Dell machine.

Let me take this opportunity to express my gratitude for the LQ members who suggested Slackware to me a few weeks ago because it's great (so far)! I've got so many questions but I'll save those for other posts.

Knightron 05-17-2012 08:35 PM

You look like you've a farly basic kde setup not to hard to recreate. I found that while using init3, removing you ~/.kde4 folder and restarting kde fixes this issue.


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