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Old 03-14-2014, 07:12 PM   #166
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Maybe it is time to migrate to BSD?
 
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:31 PM   #167
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what makes you so secure about the Linux Kernel its self?
When the Linux kernel itself is used against me, e. g. for invading my privacy, remote-controlling my devices against my will, forcing software on me I don't want and so on, I won't hesitate to remove it from all the computers in my control.
 
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:33 PM   #168
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When the Linux kernel itself is used against me, e. g. for invading my privacy, remote-controlling my devices against my will, forcing software on me I don't want and so on, I won't hesitate to remove it from all the computers in my control.
With which kernel would you replace it?
 
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:14 PM   #169
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With which kernel would you replace it?
the jtsn kernel "TinFoil Hat License 1.0"
 
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:37 PM   #170
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btw, canonical announced last month that in the long run (version 16.04 - most likely)
systemd will be the default init in ubuntu.

source:

http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
 
Old 03-15-2014, 01:34 AM   #171
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I asked around at the office how folks are anticipating systemd (we're a Scientific Linux shop, which is derived from RHEL). Their position was "as long as its sysV compatibility mode works as advertised, we don't care".

So, it will be interesting to see if stuffing all that complexity into PID 1 has real-world impact, but aside from that, little will be changing here.

On the eudev-on-Slackware front: I've been working long hours and haven't had time to spare, but will get back to it this weekend.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 02:14 AM   #172
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Maybe it is time to migrate to BSD?
While it is rarely a bad idea to explore options I don't see this as a need, especially as a Slackware user. Try it. Learn it. Sure. Migrate? No, thanks. We can argue about the reasons why for days but the fact still remains that Linux' GPL is tighter than the BSD license and hardware support is better. Not just different. Better. BSD has advantages but not ones compelling to me for Desktop/SOHO.

Plus this is Slackware Linux with Patrick at the helm. I don't see a need to worry too much. Of course I get antsy when I see all the (sloppy) interdependency that systemd has, but come on guys, even in Proprietary Windows when M$ tried to pull that crap "Internet Explorer is so intertwined in the base operating system it cannot be removed" someone accomplished exactly that in, what was it? 2 hours? In an OSS OpSys with the likes of the development team and the leadership we have, there seems little cause for serious worry.

On top of that do you really see Linus Torvalds allowing "his" kernel to be hijacked? It seems to me he can pull the plug on systemd almost anytime he wants. He'll play along until and unless he no longer likes the game.
 
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Old 03-15-2014, 02:54 AM   #173
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Linus is no fool. He's already been holding the proverbial knife to the neck of udev for a while now, so if and when he decides to put udev out of our misery we'll know all too publicly about it.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 08:53 PM   #174
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This is their vision of what systemd will do when done : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2aa34Uzr3c... Linux's core OS.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 09:29 PM   #175
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This is their vision of what systemd will do when done : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2aa34Uzr3c... Linux's core OS.
Thanks. Yea, I've seen that... won't start down that path, but everything has been said so...
 
Old 03-16-2014, 03:28 AM   #176
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I hate to say it, but since this video has been public for so long, why hasn't it been the primary argument against the implementation of this software, if this is the ultimate goal? I don't understand why there is such a need to take over GNU/Linux and turn it into something it's not designed to be. GNU/Linux isn't *BSD, HURD, UNIX offshoot, nor was it supposed to be.

While it's nice to have a consolidated core OS, GNU/Linux was designed to be modular within the core itself. You can version-lock your own core as needed and perform minor updates here and there as maintenance, but systemd aims to do something it shouldn't do at all. Systemd should not be an OS core trying to interoperate the core as a hypervisor in PID1. This is a bad idea, and even though, I see some good within trying to create a proper port of systemd to work with existing tools, trying to do what this video describes is nothing short of, in my view, an attempt to usurp control of not just Free Open Source Software, but the Linux Kernel as well from control by The Linux Foundation, and push out the GNU from Linux also.

As I stated, when they push out systemd-kernel, systemd-shell, and systemd-cc, and maybe even systemd-libc, we'll have the final answer as to where this is leading, straight into being a hypervisor system.
 
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Old 03-16-2014, 04:21 AM   #177
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I remember the episode called "Bane" from the Stargate SG-1 series. I believe it sums it up.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:53 AM   #178
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Too late. CoreOS is basically fait accompli.
 
Old 03-21-2014, 05:07 PM   #179
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Someone did start working on a libudev replacement to be able to get rid of udev/systemd altogether: http://lutz.donnerhacke.de/Blog/Das-udev-Drama
@jtsn: thank you for this link!

This looks promising. I've been working on code for gathering uevents from the kernel in preparation to write a minimal udev replacement. Lutz has this week made his first release. I am studying his api and I think I will be able to reach my intended goal much quicker by linking to libudev-light.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:48 AM   #180
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Do you have a link to the released sources? I've posted a comment on that page asking about the sources, but no response.
 
  


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