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Old 09-02-2012, 10:37 AM   #61
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That IMHO applies to Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and all others big names also. (At least in here)
This is mostly true. Most people end up using RHEL or SuSe. Some do opt for the open-source versions of these (Fedora, openSuSe). However, these are probably not production servers and mostly used as test beds.

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Old 09-02-2012, 10:41 AM   #62
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This is mostly true. Most people end up using RHEL or SuSe. Some do opt for the open-source versions of these (Fedora, openSuSe). However, these are probably not production servers and mostly used as test beds.

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I have never used Suse Enterprise but OpenSuse was a mess with bugs... again this thread is turning into a distro comparison when my original purpose was different.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 12:33 PM   #63
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Lisp is pretty much like Slackware. Its the oldest comonly used Lang today after Fortran and with very strong roots. It should be a language of choice for Slackware users. It is not a language for getting a job as I rarely come across any Lisp jobs in my searches but it is a great language to understand computer science. Same with Slackware, you won't find any job postings looking for a "Slackware Admin" however... It is a great distro to learn and use.
Oh really?

https://sjobs.brassring.com/1033/ASP...-JBSimplyHired
 
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:38 PM   #64
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Experience with advanced Linux distributions such as Gentoo and Slackware;
That's interesting.

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Old 09-02-2012, 01:18 PM   #65
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Thanks.. Thats pretty cool I guess they are waking up finally. Its also near where I live.

PS. I also wanted to add that this is only for USA. Perhaps in Europe and other parts of the world Slackware is used much more commonly then it is over here.

But I can definitely say that even if it is used commonly does not make it an inferior distro at all. As a matter of fact lately I see a rise in Ubuntu jobs but we both know the Ubuntu system has more flaws then RHEL... So popularity is irrelevant for a good OS.

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Old 09-02-2012, 01:34 PM   #66
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That's interesting.

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Whoever wrote "advanced" doesn't know what he is talking about. I guess he needed to write Simplified, Configurable, Flexible and Source Building distros like Slackware and Gentoo.
Also don't like the fact of how so many jobs require a BA... but w.e.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #67
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Not to hijack this thread; but don't want to create another related thread.
- After reading a lot about LISP history(and derivatives), I stumbled upon this- http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/, so I planned to include Clisp or SBCL in my to-learn list. However, could anybody please suggest me another way to start rather than Emacs plus slime(?), as I never ever touched Emacs before and tried miserably last night to the end of the frustration. May be I'm more of the plain old vi guy.
There is a module for vim, look here: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2531 but there are also other modules afaik.

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- Tried installing sbcl from slackbuils but when I run sbcl in terminal it throws an error saying something like -
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can't find core file at /user/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core
I was tired till the end so didn't tried searching on web, but if anybody knows what's the next step is or another useful suggestion, please let me know.

Regards.
I have sbcl installed on Slackware, I have created a symlink
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markus@samsung:/usr/local/lib$ ls -lh sbcl
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dez 18  2011 sbcl -> /usr/lib64/sbcl/
this works on my system (Slackware64-current)

BTW: clisp which comes with Slackware and sbcl are both Common Lisp (as the name says), the same language. But clisp is more convenient when you use the REPL. Otherwise sbcl is a little more powerful when it comes to recursion. Also I managed to install CL-PPCRE (lisp regular expressions) with sbcl but it didn't work for clisp.

Markus

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Old 09-02-2012, 02:03 PM   #68
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There is a module for vim, look here: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2531 but there are also other modules afaik.


I have sbcl installed on Slackware, I have created a symlink
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markus@samsung:/usr/local/lib$ ls -lh sbcl
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dez 18  2011 sbcl -> /usr/lib64/sbcl/
this works on my system (Slackware64-current)

Markus
Thanks Markus, vim is great I like it its light weight and very advanced features. Plus its been there for a very long time as well. Never thought about adding modules. That sounds like a pretty good idea. Have you ever tried Racket IDE though?
 
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Thanks Markus, vim is great I like it its light weight and very advanced features. Plus its been there for a very long time as well. Never thought about adding modules. That sounds like a pretty good idea. Have you ever tried Racket IDE though?
Well, as of editors, in my opinion one should have some experience at least with one of both, emacs or vi. When I started with Linux (about 18 years ago) I used emacs. But later I converted to vi (using vim now). Unfortunately if you're coding with lisp, emacs would be the better choice. Otherwise, look at the emacs-macros and you see lisp-code, this is also a good opportunity to learn lisp.

I've installed Racket once when I wanted to learn scheme, but it worked only well on Windows (Win 7) but not on Linux. I don't know yet what the problem was. Slackware comes with guile, which is scheme. But theres also mit-scheme available via SBo.

If you have to decide if you want to begin with common lisp or scheme, don't ignore that there are many tutorials for common lisp available in the internet, also theres much code available. Scheme is more or less a "learning only" language. It is used when it comes to language-theory. common lisp is of much more practical use. I'd recommend to read Conrad Barsky's "Land of Lisp".

Markus
 
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:44 PM   #70
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So popularity is irrelevant for a good OS.
Windows...

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Old 09-02-2012, 02:52 PM   #71
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Well, as of editors, in my opinion one should have some experience at least with one of both, emacs or vi. When I started with Linux (about 18 years ago) I used emacs. But later I converted to vi (using vim now). Unfortunately if you're coding with lisp, emacs would be the better choice. Otherwise, look at the emacs-macros and you see lisp-code, this is also a good opportunity to learn lisp.

I've installed Racket once when I wanted to learn scheme, but it worked only well on Windows (Win 7) but not on Linux. I don't know yet what the problem was. Slackware comes with guile, which is scheme. But theres also mit-scheme available via SBo.

If you have to decide if you want to begin with common lisp or scheme, don't ignore that there are many tutorials for common lisp available in the internet, also theres much code available. Scheme is more or less a "learning only" language. It is used when it comes to language-theory. common lisp is of much more practical use. I'd recommend to read Conrad Barsky's "Land of Lisp".

Markus
True, I chose Scheme for exactly that purpose to learn. The Racket IDE works well on ubuntu so far since I tried it and got it from their repo. I also have it on win 7 haven't yet tried it on Slackware though. For some reason I have never been too found of EMACS perhaps due to some of my bias towards Richard Stallman. I will however give it a try. But as a keyboard person I can say I really liked vim a lot and that module for Scheme sounds pretty cool as well. Would definitely check it out for Slackware sometime in the future. I will try guile as well when 14 comes out and I install it. Thanks again.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 03:33 PM   #72
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Dear Mercury305

I have been busy reading your posts at LQ, wondering what is the global thread you follow.

After a lot of thinking and research, I am happy to be able to say "I have unmasked you".

You are really in the process of cooking a PhD thesis, whose title will be:
This and That, a Method to Compare Any Things IT Related Using Logical Arguments.

Of course your discourse can't stay too technical, it has to stand at an enough abstract level to deserve a PhD. For that reason I suppose that you will provide a generalization method.

To exercise yourself I suggest that you generalize what is done in WikiCompare, applying it to distributions, programming languages, start up systems, bootloaders, IDE, desktops - just to begin with.

In addition and following your research you could even design, make and sell a tool that you will call "The Universal Comparator In The IT Field".

Best regards,

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Old 09-02-2012, 03:44 PM   #73
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Dear Mercury305

I gave been busy reading your posts at LQ, wondering what is the global thread you follow.

After a lot of thinking and research, I ham happy to be able to say "I have unmasked you".

You are really in the process of cooking a PhD thesis, whose title will be:
This and That, a Method to Compare Any Things IT Related Using Logical Arguments.

Of course your discourse can't stay too technical, it has to stand at an enough abstract level to deserve a PhD. For that reason I suppose that you will provide a generalization method.

To exercise yourself I suggest that you generalize what is done in WikiCompare, applying it to distributions, programming languages, start up systems, bootloaders, IDE, desktops - just to begin with.

In addition and following your research you could even design, make and sell a tool with you will call "The Universal Comparator In The IT Field".

Best regards,
From now on I don't even care if you guys talk about my mother... i will ignore all posts directed at me as opposed to the relevant topics. Have fun see who wins this time...
 
Old 09-02-2012, 04:33 PM   #74
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Have fun see who wins this time...
I'd say you win, and this forum loses.
 
Old 09-02-2012, 05:17 PM   #75
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This is not in response to Kiki but to simply justify the reason i wrote those things in systemd. Its because the problem is not Slackware but certain members that have nothing better to do but simply argue or spread fud or whatever else just for attention. I don't want to play this game I just want to learn Linux, Slackware and Computer related topics. If you hate my guts so much don't attack my character, grammar, spelling, slang... etc shit that is irrevelant to what people come here to learn about. Attack my disinformation or FUD if that is what I am doing. But don't attack my knowledge with more disinfo, attack me with Precise and Real content if you want my respect. So that others will also learn from reading this forum. Nobody wants to come into a forum to read about Mercury305's Philosophy... Nobody gives a damn about Mercury305 including myself... its just a nickname... other then that The man behind Mercury305 mask does want to learn. And he will be willing to debate on topics for that purpose only. He will continue to compare things to understand things better. As a result he will contribute to LQ and its readers and more and more members will sign up that crave KNOWLEDGE.
Soon as the Real recognise the Real... More people will stop being antagonistic towards this Mercury305 character and write to him back with more Respectful and Intelligent answers.
For example this Thread is about Python and Lisp. There have been helpful members posting in here... But I can't say that about others. Maybe its something about France? I don't know.Nor do I care. But for once I would be happy to see something actually smart and helpful come out from KikiNovaks mouth instead of his constant Mercury305 trolling rants like a fly that will never go away...
Kiki, I will forgive you if for once you contribute to some threads and add your suggestions about lisp and python. There have been a lot of other people in this forum who I disliked but later liked because I learned thing from them. I don't want to name names but they know who they are.
Again lets switch topic. Mercury305 and his life is irrelevant to this threads topic... lets move on to the topic.

Please don't post in here O.T.! This is for everyone not just Didi and Kiki.

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