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Old 03-21-2013, 08:49 AM   #16
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besides the fact that ponce is a local drink but you really shouldn't get offended (it wasn't my intention and if you feel like I apologize also if shouldn't be necessary) and move to personal attacks...

I really thought this was a spam thread (there aren't so many and sometimes I indulge into it): if it's a serious one, I personally think this is not the right place.

but remember that, just like you, I'm free to believe in what I prefer...

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Old 03-21-2013, 08:57 AM   #17
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besides the fact that ponce is a local drink but you really shouldn't get offended (it wasn't my intention) and move to personal attacks...
I’m not offended. I’m angry. You can’t offend me. No-one can.

On the other hand you can offend some other people. And you did it.

You can also offend someone’s taste. And you did.

Oh yeah! That was personal attack in fact. I’m not sorry at all.
 
Old 03-21-2013, 11:10 AM   #18
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I know God exist's. that he created the universe. its a fact...
...and he lives in Oldham.
 
Old 03-21-2013, 12:05 PM   #19
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but remember that, just like you, I'm free to believe in what I prefer...
So believe in shit on (I’m treating your infamous and offensive link).
 
Old 03-21-2013, 01:22 PM   #20
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@w1k0: βουστροφηδόν
I had to look this up *ahsamed*

(native greek speaker here)


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Αυτό είναι όλα τα ελληνικά σε μένα.
Horrible translation :P
 
Old 03-21-2013, 01:37 PM   #21
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Maybe it seems to you also that you’re smart. You aren’t. Feel free to not put your comments in the threads commented by me. You simply don’t match my level. You don’t match any level.
Some people have a sense of humour. This does not make them less intelligent. ponce has done far, far more to help the Slackware community than you ever have. As for matching your level, I cannot think of a more patronizing (and unintelligent!) response to a joke. For shame. The joke may have been inappropriate and possibly disrespectful, but so were your thread-derailing puzzles and references to religion (or atheism specifically). They had nothing to do with the original thread and frankly have no place in a Linux forum. There are other communities which focus on such things that would be more appropriate.

To instantly jump to personal attacks is low indeed and frankly I'm not sure you're at his level (which can be taken two ways but the intended form is obvious).
 
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:00 PM   #22
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ponce has done far, far more to help the Slackware community than you ever have.
It wasn’t a contest of the merits but we can change that into it. In that post I described my experiences and merits concerning Slackware, Linux, and computing. I’m from Poland so I co-operated with some Polish-language Linux-oriented monthly magazine for one year and then I was a leading editor in some Linux-oriented quarterly magazine for five years. I’m also developer of some Linux programs available on my website, freecode.com, SlackBuilds.org, and dockapps.windowmaker.org.

I wrote among the other things a series of seven articles about LaTeX for the mentioned monthly magazine (available to download in the mentioned post) and then I published an interview with Patrick Volkerding in the mentioned quarterly magazine (available to download in the mentioned post as well). During five years of my work as an editor – I and the other authors – we mentioned Slackware for 468 times in total. That’s the scale of the popularization of Slackware in Poland initiated or made by me.

I don’t care how much did ponce for Slackware. I didn’t evaluate his usefulness. I evaluated his lack of the taste.

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As for matching your level, I cannot think of a more patronizing (and unintelligent!) response to a joke. For shame.
It was patronizing and determined. It was intelligent as well. You don’t have to perceive that.

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The joke may have been inappropriate and possibly disrespectful, but so were your thread-derailing puzzles and references to religion (or atheism specifically). They had nothing to do with the original thread and frankly have no place in a Linux forum. There are other communities which focus on such things that would be more appropriate.
“Possibly disrespectful”? World championship in euphemisms!

As for my “thread-derailing puzzles and references to religion (or atheism specifically)” it was one joke referred personally to eloi and marked as a prank. I put it there because I assumed that eloi don’t realize what means his nickname. I was right.

Then myglide, eloi, Didier Spaier, and volkerdi started to joke as well. I replied to their jokes with my jokes. In the meantime some moderator split the thread into topic-related and off-topic ones. Unfortunately after that ponce decided to take the floor. His joke was nasty and completely inappropriate in the context of the thread. (I know. You don’t see that. Believe me. I’m right.) As a result I became nasty for ponce.

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To instantly jump to personal attacks is low indeed and frankly I'm not sure you're at his level (which can be taken two ways but the intended form is obvious).
I attacked just one person – ponce. He deserved that.

If you refer now to some other thread it was in “General” section of LinuxQuestions.org, three respectful people thanked me for my posts in that thread, and a wise moderator closed it at the end.

That last thread attracted the people which believe in different rubbish (from the conspiracy theories, through the camouflaged antisemitism, to the possible Satanism). I usually don’t visit the “General” section. Almost two weeks ago I visited it, spotted that thread, and decided that I have a duty to comment all that rubbish.

That’s all.

***

I realize that some LinuxQuestion.org members started to ignore or avoid me since that last thread. It’s good. I can’t spend my life on discussions of the different idiocies. Wise people understand me. What does the rest I don’t care.
 
Old 03-21-2013, 05:51 PM   #23
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It wasn’t a contest of the merits but we can change that into it ...
I stand corrected. You have both benefited the Slackware community. This still does not detract from ponce's ongoing and active efforts...
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I don’t care how much did ponce for Slackware. I didn’t evaluate his usefulness. I evaluated his lack of the taste.
You evaluated it rather crudely and exchanged poor taste for a poor attitude.
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It was patronizing and determined. It was intelligent as well. You don’t have to perceive that.
There is nothing intelligent about telling others that they are intellectually inferior. Anyone can say that, true or otherwise. Additionally, ponce barely said anything and merely linked to a joke which displays nothing of his intelligence. And I would think there should be some expectation of respect on these forums and patronizing others is certainly in violation of that. Note that I am saying nothing of the link itself.
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“Possibly disrespectful”? World championship in euphemisms!
Clearly unlike yourself, who prefers to exaggerate the crudeness of your replies.
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Unfortunately after that ponce decided to take the floor. His joke was nasty and completely inappropriate in the context of the thread. (I know. You don’t see that. Believe me. I’m right.) As a result I became nasty for ponce.
I already stated it was inappropriate, as was your reply. But apparently I lack the sophistication to understand the intricacies of modern conversation, unlike you. (Either that or you quoted me saying the original post was inappropriate and commented on it, only to conveniently forget that later to infer that I was too incompetent to understand why it was inappropriate. You can't have it both ways, Einstein.)
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I attacked just one person – ponce. He deserved that.
Nobody deserves that and it is expressly against the rules of these forums. Get off your high horse.
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If you refer now to some other thread it was in “General” section of LinuxQuestions.org, three respectful people thanked me for my posts in that thread, and a wise moderator closed it at the end.
...
I realize that some LinuxQuestion.org members started to ignore or avoid me since that last thread. It’s good. I can’t spend my life on discussions of the different idiocies. Wise people understand me. What does the rest I don’t care.
I have not read that thread so any disagreement with you has to do with this thread and not a preconceived bias. If being 'wise' is merely agreeing that you were right in abusing another member then I am glad to 'misunderstand'.
 
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:11 PM   #24
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I stand corrected. You have both benefited the Slackware community. This still does not detract from ponce's ongoing and active efforts...
Great!

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You evaluated it rather crudely and exchanged poor taste for a poor attitude.
Great!

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There is nothing intelligent about telling others that they are intellectually inferior. Anyone can say that, true or otherwise. Additionally, ponce barely said anything and merely linked to a joke which displays nothing of his intelligence. And I would think there should be some expectation of respect on these forums and patronizing others is certainly in violation of that. Note that I am saying nothing of the link itself.
Great!

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Clearly unlike yourself, who prefers to exaggerate the crudeness of your replies.
Great!

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I already stated it was inappropriate, as was your reply. But apparently I lack the sophistication to understand the intricacies of modern conversation, unlike you. (Either that or you quoted me saying the original post was inappropriate and commented on it, only to conveniently forget that later to infer that I was too incompetent to understand why it was inappropriate. You can't have it both ways, Einstein.)
Great!

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Nobody deserves that and it is expressly against the rules of these forums. Get off your high horse.
Great!

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I have not read that thread so any disagreement with you has to do with this thread and not a preconceived bias. If being 'wise' is merely agreeing that you were right in abusing another member then I am glad to 'misunderstand'.
Great!
 
Old 03-21-2013, 06:17 PM   #25
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Let’s go back to our “off-topic topic” (puzzles and jokes):

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A biologist, a physicist, and a mathematician were sitting in a street café watching the crowd. Across the street they saw a man and a woman entering a building. Ten minutes later they reappeared together with a third person. “They have multiplied,” said the biologist. “Oh no, an error in measurement,” the physicist sighed. “If exactly one person enters the building now, it will be empty again,” the mathematician concluded.
 
Old 03-22-2013, 10:01 AM   #26
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I feel responsible to some extent for what happened here.

The name "eloi", based on The Time Machine Wells novel is a
sarcasm. I know my sarcasms offend people and I indeed use them
with such intention. But not in the sense "You are not at my
(intellectual) level" but in the sense "You can do it
(ethically) better". But it's not exactly about ethics either.
A lot of clever, cultivated persons fall in constructing their
thinking on fake bases because it's more comfortable or easy to
evade or to ignore the real cause of some problems or because
they don't feel confident enough or because the real cause of
the problem has no solution.

From the scientist point of view the lack of proves about the
existence of something is not a proof of its no existence.
That's why Atheism (like most words ended with "ism") is just
one more religion. Arguing about the existence of God is not
science deal. Science is against religious people behavior just
in that science never ever assume anything in an *absolutist*
way. Assuming something like a True and force others to eat it
is the typical religious people behavior (religions play well
with dictatorships). That behavior was the target of my
criticism. Religion was not the subject, I've talked about
religion in a metaphoric way.

And that behavior was the target of other sarcasm I did on other
thread about statistics (referred to an old dialog I had with
Didier).

Now about my post:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4912792

I've never thought it's a bug report or a bug fix. I've posted
what I *guess* is a *workaround* not a solution. The symptoms
of that corrupted econdings.dir entries are several and
manifested in different ways on several X apps, furthermore utf8
compatibilities issues is an old no ended history, that's why I
judged not convenient to fill three pages here about it and
advised to search on internet. I *guess* that the issue is at
install time because reinstalling the individual font package
doesn't fix it.

So my question: "Can it be considered a bug report in Slackware
folklore?" was rhetorical and not exclusively about the above
issue (sorry if I was not clear on that, my fault). Based on my
logic and common sense (I am not stating Slackware rules or LQ
rules or trying to force nobody to fit in my ideas) a bug report
and/or a bug fix should not be a forum post intended to help
other users but addressed directly to maintainers, then
maintainers must not spend time searching them between chat,
popularity contests, jokes, "who write the more elegant code" IQ
tests, logical proof about God existence inquiries, flame wars,
etc.

So the way it should be understood my rhetorical question is:
"If I am not wrong in my *guessing*, it should be the maintainer
of the Slackware installer the right one to investigate this
issue and find a real solution".

Sorry for the misunderstood, my fault.

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Old 03-22-2013, 12:01 PM   #27
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The name "eloi", based on The Time Machine Wells novel is a sarcasm.
“Eloi” borrowed from The Time Machine and used by an experienced Slackware user as a nick name can be only a sarcasm. As I mentioned before we aren’t Eloi – we’re Morlocks. MS Windows users are Eloi.

Of course in my talk to you I used “Eloi” borrowed from The Holy Bible. (That’s the other book much more popular than The Time Machine and the other “Eloi”.)

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From the scientist point of view the lack of proves about the existence of something is not a proof of its no existence.
That's why Atheism (like most words ended with "ism") is just one more religion.
That’s popular view and it’s perfectly correct.

According to the thought experiment called Russell’s teapot no-one can prove that something doesn’t exist – it’s possible only to prove that something exists (if it exists indeed). Moreover no-one has a duty to prove that something – for example God – doesn’t exist. It’s believer who should prove that God exists. Until someone will prove that something – for example Pegasus – exists we have to assume that it doesn’t exist. That’s the essence from Russell’s teapot.

(If someone still wants to believe in gnomes and Santa Claus I can’t help. I’m sorry.)

That’s the reason for which I believe in scientific proofs and have the knowledge about the religious fabrications. I referred to that in the mentioned here and there post from Atheists thread.

By the way... I’m not atheist at all. So far no-one decided to continue the discussion after I put my post into the mentioned thread. When someone will dare to take the floor I’ll disclose why I’m not atheist and who I am.

***

As for the rest of your post it fits better your original thread rather than our “off-topic topic”. So I’m abstaining from reply to that here. I could reply if you move that part of your post to the right thread. Or it isn’t necessary at all because in fact I already replied to the same question in post #44.
 
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@ eloi well said...
my bible says it well too.
"Knowing this first that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they are willingly ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
 
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:28 PM   #29
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Well, I'm taking a stab at the dark here, but could you post the output of:

Code:
$ lspci -v
cheers,
 
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:02 PM   #30
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“Houston?”

“Can you hear me?”

“Conversation is over!”

BEEEEEEP!
 
  


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