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Old 05-23-2006, 09:22 AM   #31
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I understand the limitations.

I just know it CAN be done (Windows has isoMagic), plus many others.

I was just wondering if there was one program that can do what currently takes:
1: loopback to mount the iso as a hdd
2: Whatever to add in files
3: Make a new iso from the 'mounted modified' image

Not in real time, that would be a bit on the optimistic side, wouldn't you think?

Check out this link (same as above), and you'll get a real good idea of what I'm looking for...
http://www.mythusoft.com/product.html
 
Old 05-23-2006, 11:00 AM   #32
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CW What about running some of that winbloze stuff in Wine? It may be worth a try if you already have it.
 
Old 05-23-2006, 01:13 PM   #33
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A little nervous about that...

linux>wine>screwing with a install iso for linux

It's more of a quest now, anyways. I just think it would make a great project for somebody (Not me. Haven't coded diddly since high school in '79, not even since graduating in '82). Was more of a curiosity, mostly to see what was out there. But nothing that can read/extract files from an iso...That is almost disturbing...
 
Old 05-23-2006, 07:31 PM   #34
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isomagic is pretty nasty ... as predicted. It does pretty much what we've been suggesting, only on the windows API, and it hides what it is doing from the world as predicted.

We've been telling you over and over how to read/extract files from an iso ... that's how all the iso editors would do it.

I suppose I could womp up a script

isoedit -x -o -s [filename.iso]
... allows free editing of iso9660 images, and saving the edited image.
OPTIONS
x (extract) extracts an iso from the default CD/DVD device to "filename.iso" (actually ~/.working/filename.iso)
o (open) opens the iso to view the files in a regular file-viewer window (actually ~/.working/filename/
s (save) saves the iso files in the view window to "filename.iso" If no filename given, it will overwrite the existing one.

A gui could be built on that.
That what you want?

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Old 05-23-2006, 07:38 PM   #35
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I know how to read/extract, then recreate the iso. I have been doing that.

It is just pure curiosity about : Is there an all in one program to do so?

No need to make a script for me, it is just a question. I can live without it, but was just wondering IF there was one. From the responses I would have to conclude there is not.
 
Old 05-23-2006, 08:06 PM   #36
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I know how to read/extract, then recreate the iso. I have been doing that.
... and yet you said:
Quote:
But nothing that can read/extract files from an iso...That is almost disturbing...
... never mind.
Quote:
It is just pure curiosity about : Is there an all in one program to do so?

No need to make a script for me, it is just a question. I can live without it, but was just wondering IF there was one. From the responses I would have to conclude there is not.
That would be right - there is none.

I find this encouraging rather than disturbing. It shows linux users are not as gullible as the windows folk.
 
Old 05-24-2006, 12:08 AM   #37
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Hmm, there is "gullible" and then there's "functionality not yet recognized."

As someone who is schitz, dysleksik, and ADD, I could use a X app that did all the stuff that CWWilson needed and keeps it neat and tidy by allowing some sort of "drag and drop" feature. In that way, the left side of my window would have the tree layout of the ISO (copied to the HDD or RF), the right side of the window would have my disk tree of programs to add to the ISO, redlines could symbolize deletes. I could then go for a walk, take some Ritalin, or another break to get my eyes off the screen.

Then, when I get back to the computer, I can see what I actually did (vs what I thought I did), make fixes, and hit the "go" button.

Re: evilDagmar's concerns, my impatience is always cut by a countdown timer. And let me tell you, there's always a sense of accomplishment when your countdown timer screams thru the minutes as they count down. I don't know where apps get their start times, but my computers are evidently much faster and the apps have finished doing their things way faster than the countdown timer. It just makes me feel good.

So, the underbelly would be Simon's script. It'd need a GUI wrapper, but that wrapper would need some sort of "drag and drop" functionality to it. Give it a GO! button and a countdown timer or two and you've got 1 X app that gives CWWilson what he needs! (err... I guess there'd be other things to program in, like "df"'ing for free disk space, finding CD/DVD write speed for the countdown timer, databasing the start, modified, and finished directories to recover them, and certainly others...)

Gee, too bad I'm a rocket scientist and not a programmer, or I'd do it!

--vonSt

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Old 05-24-2006, 01:34 AM   #38
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Hmm, there is "gullible" and then there's "functionality not yet recognized."

As someone who is schitz, dysleksik, and ADD, I could use a X app that did all the stuff that CWWilson needed and keeps it neat and tidy by allowing some sort of "drag and drop" feature. In that way, the left side of my window would have the tree layout of the ISO (copied to the HDD or RF), the right side of the window would have my disk tree of programs to add to the ISO, redlines could symbolize deletes. I could then go for a walk, take some Ritalin, or another break to get my eyes off the screen.

Then, when I get back to the computer, I can see what I actually did (vs what I thought I did), make fixes, and hit the "go" button.

Re: evilDagmar's concerns, my impatience is always cut by a countdown timer. And let me tell you, there's always a sense of accomplishment when your countdown timer screams thru the minutes as they count down. I don't know where apps get their start times, but my computers are evidently much faster and the apps have finished doing their things way faster than the countdown timer. It just makes me feel good.
Obligatory email prediction: "Countdown timer isn't accurate when dealing with large numbers of files." "Countdown timer takes forever to start when dealing with several thousands of files." "Countdown timer should show time remaining, not percentage complete." "Countdown timer speeds up and slows down randomly."

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So, the underbelly would be Simon's script. It'd need a GUI wrapper, but that wrapper would need some sort of "drag and drop" functionality to it. Give it a GO! button and a countdown timer or two and you've got 1 X app that gives CWWilson what he needs! (err... I guess there'd be other things to program in, like "df"'ing for free disk space, finding CD/DVD write speed for the countdown timer, databasing the start, modified, and finished directories to recover them, and certainly others...)

Gee, too bad I'm a rocket scientist and not a programmer, or I'd do it!

--vonSt
Yeah, too bad you're not a programmer or you'd see these problems for what they are instead of trying to act like they're nothing. There are some things which are currently doomed to a continual parade of major problems, and faking a "live ISO edit" is one of them.
 
Old 05-24-2006, 04:49 AM   #39
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As hard as it may be, it would be lovely if we could all focus on problems and solutions rather than insulting people. Good manners never killed anyone.
 
Old 05-24-2006, 08:18 AM   #40
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In that way, the left side of my window would have the tree layout of the ISO (copied to the HDD or RF), the right side of the window would have my disk tree of programs to add to the ISO, redlines could symbolize deletes
If this tool would be useful to people, I'm all for it, but I'm struggling to understand what a gui would do. You would be hiding the process from yourself in order to pretend that you can do what you can't do. (Write to an existing iso image.)

You can already do most of this within Konqueror (or any other file manager). You drag and drop the iso contents to a working directory. The left side of the file manager gives you the tree view, the right side is where you work. To edit a configuration file, you just click and it loads in the default text editor. If you want to delete, you just delete. There's no need to use red lines to symbolize anything, because there's nothing to symbolize. I use mkisofs and cdrecord, but you could also invoke k3b to burn the CD from within Konqueror... I think you can even add a service menu that will mount an iso image.
 
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There are windows tools that do this - they all cost. It looks like the purpose of such a app would be to get money out of people who don't understand what an iso is. Hence the comment about "gullible".

Imagine how convincing you could be with rewritable media?
(Can one rewrite an individual file on such media or do you still have to burn the whole ISO?)
 
Old 05-24-2006, 08:20 PM   #42
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JimX86 and Simon Bridge, you two are looking at this concept from a very specific point of view, basically that of a capable Linux CLI user. cwwilson admitted, several posts in, that he too is a capable Linux CLI user.

But from a completely different perspective, putting a GUI cover over this concept and calling it an "app" makes it cleaner and more focused for the app user. I work for the gov't. I get to watch and learn how satellite and launch vehicle engineers perform their operations and interfaces with customers. An excellent example would be in the field of satellite ops. Some companies write their satellite ops software in Linux. The operators need to drive the satellites and make sure that the satellites are sending the correct telemetry correctly. They could get all kinds of raw telemetry and write commands on the CLI, but that's not their forte. They count on nice organized GUI menus and windows to organize the data and most importantly, to keep them from inadvertently screwing up their operation! Somebody from the spacecraft software industry writes the commands and telemetry into those nice GUIs and they make hundreds of millions of dollars for it.

Back to this thread, I brainstormed some user-level requirements in the post above. These would be necessary to keep me (in particular) from copying the iso to disk, erasing something I wasn't supposed to, adding something I wasn't supposed to, and forgetting to add something I wanted to... all before writing the ISO back to disk with a combo-command that mkisofs |cdrecord. These are the things that go wrong when I actually do this from the CLI. I'm a klutz, users are klutzes.

And so, back to the perspective thing: sure, there are plenty of programmers that look at their clients and say "they're going to pay me THIS MUCH to write THAT? How gullible can they get! HAHAHA!!" (which, of course, they're saying to themselves.) But others say, "they've got user-level requirements. Nothing meets their requirements. I'll write apps that give them what they need and I'll get something back for it."

In the Linux open source / free software world, programmers are typically doing this for personal satisfaction. Or at least that's what I read on the forums.

--vonSt
 
Old 05-24-2006, 08:34 PM   #43
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That pretty much sums it up.

Not that I cannot/dont do it with multiple cli progs. I was just wondering if there was ONE gui prog that can/does do that
 
Old 05-24-2006, 09:22 PM   #44
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rock on vonst/CWW...et al i really love it when the community pulls together. I myself...well, i'm probably sitting pretty close to vonst's camp, in that I and not always interested in going into the CLI to manually do everything, as it is not my forte. I'm not saying that I do like the CLI and that I don't use it...'cause I do. It's just that sometimes, I like to just GUI it. It's not always worth expending the brain power on. (y'know that the brain uses something like 40% of the body's oxygen already, right?). Anyways...I love the discussion and I love the passion that y'all bring to the table.

<--not a scripter/programmer.....

Cheers!

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Old 05-24-2006, 09:56 PM   #45
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Reread all the posts here, and there seems to be a disturbing theme popping out:

"I don't want to use a single app, because I don't want to lose absolute control over processes, so I'll insult anybody who wishes not to do things my way."

Well, too bad. You use X don't you? Lost alot of control there,bub.

I use the cli extensively. I have no problem with that. I used to program in the mid 70's, so I am more than comfortable with the cli. But, why use 4-5 different progs, and 30 gazillion steps, when 1 gui app can do it? I don't care if it "hides the process". I WANT IT TO. I know the process. So?

Now for the original question: Is there an app to extract/manipulate/edit/recreate an iso image?

The answer: No

You all can politicize this and spout your diatribe as much as you wish. I know the underlying processes. I understand the problems. But frankly, I don't give a horses patuti about "You don't want this because...". I was just wondering IF. Not WHY. Not WHY NOT. Just IF.

Carry on with your crud. I got my answer to a simple question. If you can't handle that, TOO BAD.
 
  


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