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Old 02-20-2010, 07:13 PM   #61
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Originally Posted by TL_CLD View Post
I don't like Sendmail as the default MTA. I would much prefer Postfix.

Also I would much rather have PostgreSQL instead of MySQL.

Other than that I'm a happy camper.
KDE requires MySQL, so go pester them
 
Old 02-21-2010, 02:26 AM   #62
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What brought this home to me recently was when I wanted to build an application on OpenBSD that needed the gtk+ library, and to build the library I also had to build CUPS, which required me to build Bonjour and so on. If the gtk+ application doesn't do any printing and only needs the gui widgets then why should I have to add these libraries?
I agree that it would have been better if Gtk could be configured to use a null/dummy backend when needed (maybe it already allows that - I don't know). Still, CUPS is so standard these days that I can accept Gtk depending on it, rather than inventing its own printing subsystem. Be it Gtk or Qt or any other "rich" toolkit, many applications use only a fraction of the total functionality available. Since toolkits must provide "standard" functionality across all installations, you can't make them modular and let people leave their parts out.

They say that in mathematics "proofs get shorter, and the definitions get longer" over time . This is like it, you code's dependency list will be reduced to a mere "gtk", while all those zillion gnome/cups stuff will be included in a gtk installation.
 
Old 02-21-2010, 04:49 AM   #63
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I don't like the format for slack-desc files; particularly needing to affix the appname to every line.
 
Old 02-21-2010, 07:10 PM   #64
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Slackware is perfect, nothing to change.
 
Old 02-21-2010, 08:10 PM   #65
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.... what you don't like about Arch
They don't have *any* package authentication verification ( at this time) ; and so therefore, and therof , I don't consider it a _serious_ distro until they finalize their verification ( which I know is planned , but for all intents and purposes, does not exist).

Other than that, it still has predefined dependencies, I prefer my own, but that's really a small point.

The only other thing I don't like about arch is that I think they could do more "sane" default configs for some things, such as locale, hostname, etc. There's a lot of config editing the first time around using arch, which obviously only needs to be done once. But, first time out of the gate, there's a lot of config file editing, whereas Slackware for example has some pretty sane default configs (at least for most USA people).

Lastly, I don't understand why the arch dev's use "AlL dIfFeReNt CaSeS FoR tHe PaCmAn BiNaRy" ... using the cli is a typing pita.

Other than that arch is promising, but no gpg/hashes for packages is a major flaw to me.

/me takes off the tin-foil hat.

--- back on topic...

What I don't like about Slack?
- needs better imap email server (such as courrier)
- postfix in /extra would be nice.
- firefox (since it's static IMO should be in /opt)
- /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery is still missing on default install after 4 bug reports of it over time I've used Slackware.
- Slackware doesn't include much glib2/gtk2 apps; I see no reason why we typically are far back in revisions vs latest. (well I haven't built kde4 yet - so that may be different now that I think of it, but in the past, this was a big issue for me.)
- I wouldn't mind a bug-wiki of some kind, I feel bad when sending in a bug (which is rare) , cuz I have no idea if he already knows of the bug, and that I may be wasting his time with duplicity in reporting.
- I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of ncurses front end to make a rc.firewall script on install (but that's nit picking I guess)

But at the end of the day, I use Slackware cuz it annoys me *LESS* than any other distro
 
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Old 02-22-2010, 03:47 AM   #66
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--- back on topic...

What I don't like about Slack?
- needs better imap email server (such as courier)
- postfix in /extra would be nice.
I'd agree with those two as well.
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- I wouldn't mind a bug-wiki of some kind, I feel bad when sending in a bug (which is rare) , cuz I have no idea if he already knows of the bug, and that I may be wasting his time with duplicity in reporting.
Well we sort of treat this forum as a kind of bug-wiki. Lots of people report bugs and others get a chance to verify them or let them know it's already identified.
The team have thrown the idea around but it's never been seen as a priority.

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But at the end of the day, I use Slackware cuz it annoys me *LESS* than any other distro
What he said.
 
Old 02-22-2010, 03:53 AM   #67
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I agree on that point. I've had far less trouble with it than any other.
The only thing I don't like is that without something like GSB, I can't have Nautilus, and with those, it always seems to have some small complaint about DBus. It's always seemed to have more functionality than Konqueror/Dolphin to me.
Well, that and the fact that I *still* can't get off my habit of using certain gnome-panel apps. Need a way to run some of them on a KDE panel.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 08:19 AM   #68
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What I don't like about Slackware:
1. When installed on my wife's laptop, had to jump through hoops
to get wireless connection functional.
Then one day wireless connection just quit.
So I installed Knoppix to the hard drive.
Now wireless works like a champ and wife likes Knoppix better as well.
Wireless is built in to Knoppix. Why not Slackware? There is nothing
"extra" about laptops.

2. KDE4. That feature more or less forced me to use XFCE instead.

3. Poor library support for established OS apps such as Inkscape. Every
time I need to install one of these apps I have to go library chasing.

4. When slack 13 appeared Quanta Plus disappeared. I keep
a 12.1 partition around just for that one app.

Any Operating system exists to support applications. If established
apps like Inkscape, Scribus etc. require a set of libraries then those libraries
(and for that matter those apps themselves) should be included. Blaming the
app maintainers for using particular libraries is just ridiculous. Slackware is
a very minor part of their audience.

I have been using Slack since it came on a set of floppies. But it is trying my patience.

John Culleton
 
Old 06-05-2010, 10:17 AM   #69
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1. When installed on my wife's laptop, had to jump through hoops
to get wireless connection functional.
Then one day wireless connection just quit.
So I installed Knoppix to the hard drive.
Now wireless works like a champ and wife likes Knoppix better as well.
Wireless is built in to Knoppix. Why not Slackware? There is nothing
"extra" about laptops.
Installing wicd from /extra is jumping through hoops?

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2. KDE4. That feature more or less forced me to use XFCE instead.
I wasn't aware of Slackware forcing me to do anything at anytime.

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3. Poor library support for established OS apps such as Inkscape. Every
time I need to install one of these apps I have to go library chasing.
One has always had to do dependency checking in Slackware. Build what you want.

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4. When slack 13 appeared Quanta Plus disappeared. I keep
a 12.1 partition around just for that one app.
I have no clue what Quanta Plus is - although I realize it is important to you.

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Any Operating system exists to support applications. If established
apps like Inkscape, Scribus etc. require a set of libraries then those libraries
(and for that matter those apps themselves) should be included. Blaming the
app maintainers for using particular libraries is just ridiculous. Slackware is
a very minor part of their audience.

I have been using Slack since it came on a set of floppies. But it is trying my patience.
Its hard to believe you have been using Slackware since it came on floppies, and still not understanding the Slackware philosophy.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 11:11 AM   #70
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John, I have to agree with mlangdn, from what you've said it sounds like you'd be better off with a "Do everything for you" distro like PCLinuxOS. You do surrender a degree of control to the repository maintainers, but that's the price you pay for that sort of distro, and from what I've seen of it so far (still early days) it's actually very good.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 12:03 PM   #71
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Slackware64 13.1 so far. I must say that this version of Slackware appears to be the buggiest version that I've ever encountered (~13 years) while Slackware64 13.0 was probably one of the best. I simply can't believe what I've been experiencing ...

Last edited by tpreitzel; 06-05-2010 at 12:07 PM.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 12:14 PM   #72
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Bad Bulgarian localization.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 12:36 PM   #73
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Slackware64 13.1 so far. I must say that this version of Slackware appears to be the buggiest version that I've ever encountered (~13 years) while Slackware64 13.0 was probably one of the best. I simply can't believe what I've been experiencing ...
I assume that you have a list of such bugs. Please share.
 
Old 06-05-2010, 12:47 PM   #74
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I don't like:
The basic philosophy of have no dependency-checking package manager by default.
The approach of starting with a full install and then removing what's not needed. (opposite extreme is Arch, which starts with nothing.)
I feel the same way. It needs an official dependency checking PM. I also don't like it's best to do a full install and then remove un-needed apps.

I started out using Slackware & Debian and at the time both was one of the few distros that worked with my hardware and didn't try to take over the whole hard drive.

Now days I use the so-called easier distros, I've lost the lust of doing too much tinkering!
 
Old 06-05-2010, 12:50 PM   #75
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I assume that you have a list of such bugs. Please share.
You need to search. My legitimate problems with the bugs in Slackware64 13.1 are posted all over this forum.
 
  


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