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Old 06-16-2010, 12:47 AM   #166
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1) Updating a multi-lib install is a pain, as you have to find out what 32-bit packages need updating and run the updated packages through the conversion script before installing them.

2) A stripped-down KDE version like the kde-base package in Gentoo. It doesn't install Akonadi, uses 150-200 meg of RAM, and isn't lacking any features that I need. I think people would appreciate less bloat; I've seen a lot of people going to XFCE for this very reason.

3) I understand not everyone is a fan of 64-bit multilib, but it would be nice to provide this as an option in the installer. I always come across something that needs 32-bit compatibility like flash, acroread, wine, and several games. Also, creating an environment variable that tells Slackbuilds that you have a multi-lib install would be nice: then I wouldn't get a pure 64-bit Nvidia driver install and wonder why my 32-bit game doesn't work.

To the guy recommending Arch: I thought about trying it until I read that every package is bleeding edge, so you end up being a beta tester of sorts. People on various forums seem to dread updating their Arch systems as they tend to break. For me, I would prefer a distro maintainer to pick the latest stable versions of packages for me so I have no problems with updates breaking my system. I also prefer adding packages to a base install instead of getting everything like a default Slackware install gives you, but I don't see it as a big deal. You can always remove packages, and if you don't like the stock mplayer build for example you can always tweak the Slackbuild and replace it.
 
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Old 06-16-2010, 03:10 AM   #167
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and I'll prolly get flamed for this
Only for not spelling "probably" properly

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Old 06-16-2010, 05:18 AM   #168
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A stripped-down KDE version like the kde-base package in Gentoo.
Instead, I appreciate that Slackware packages be not stripped down. For instance Slackware packages for mozilla-firefox do include the internal xulrunner engine ; some other distribution's packages do not. And I appreciate that the -dev portion of applications, whenever applicable, be included as well.

If you want to get rid of akonadi, it's just a removepkg away.

And still you can make you own stripped down package: just edit the provided slackbuild, tune the configure options and run it again.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 05:49 AM   #169
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If you want to get rid of akonadi, it's just a removepkg away.
Hey, is it possible to recompile kde-4.4.3 without akonadi? It gives an error upon every boot, so that i have to launch kmail twice, because closing akonadi error message also closes kmail at first launch.

At the same time without akonadi installed kmail won't even start.

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Old 06-16-2010, 03:46 PM   #170
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For instance Slackware packages for mozilla-firefox do include the internal xulrunner engine ; some other distribution's packages do not.
This just makes it more time-consuming (and annoying) to have to compile/install xulrunner if you want to install other gecko browsers (like conkeror). This is one of the few instances that I would prefer package splitting.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 04:45 PM   #171
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This just makes it more time-consuming (and annoying) to have to compile/install xulrunner if you want to install other gecko browsers (like conkeror). This is one of the few instances that I would prefer package splitting.
+1 on that. I have requested this from Pat, and i bet other people have too.
His reply was that he wont be doing that cause 32bit ships the official binaries from Mozilla.

I would also like a split seamonkey as well (seperate nss & nspr) but last time i requested this seamonkey-solibs was born, so i am reluctant to request such things again.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 04:51 PM   #172
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If only slackware also send optimized distros (official if possible) to specific archs and not only i486 then it will also be a +. There's a way to recompile all the packages in Slack but that will take time. More time compared to Gentoo since you still have to think about the dependencies.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 04:54 PM   #173
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I couldn't find any information about Conqueror (guess you didn't mean konqueror, as it uses khtml, not gecko, as its rendering engine). Could you provide an URL or pointer ?

Anyhow a slackbuild for xulrunner is available @ slackbuilds.org.

The inconvenience of stripping xulrunner from firefox is that then you can't run an application for xulrunner with "firefox -app appname", which is possible since firefox 3 if it is shipped complete.

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Old 06-16-2010, 05:00 PM   #174
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I couldn't find any information about Conqueror (guess you didn't mean konqueror, as it uses khtml, not gecko, as its rendering engine). Could you provide an URL or pointer ?
http://conkeror.org/
 
Old 06-16-2010, 05:03 PM   #175
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I couldn't find any information about Conqueror (guess you didn't mean konqueror, as it uses khtml, not gecko, as its rendering engine). Could you provide an URL or pointer ?

Anyhow a slackbuild for xulrunner is available @ slackbuilds.org.

The inconvenience of stripping xulrunner from firefox is that then you can't run an application for xulrunner with "firefox -app appname", which is possible since firefox 3 if it is shipped complete.
Conkeror, not Conqueror.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 05:24 PM   #176
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Thanks to sahko and T3slider for correcting my typo.

Out of curiosity I just downloaded a snapshot of conkeror in my $HOME, untarred it and launched it that way:
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firefox -app /home/didier/conkeror/application.ini &
It worked, of course because the Slackware package for Firefox does include an internal xulrunner engine, as it should

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Old 06-16-2010, 05:31 PM   #177
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Out of curiosity I just downloaded a snapshot of conkeror in my $HOME, untarred it and launched it that way:
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firefox -app /home/didier/conkeror/application.ini &
It worked, of course because the Slackware package for Firefox does include an internal xulrunner engine, as it should
You actually have 2 xulrunners cause seamonkey includes its own version as well.
Building a seperate xulrunner package would mean both apps would use the same engine.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 05:51 PM   #178
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You actually have 2 xulrunners cause seamonkey includes its own version as well.
Building a seperate xulrunner package would mean both apps would use the same engine.
I will soon have 3 xulrunners then, as I plan to install a standalone one

I don't see that as an inconvenience, as I have enough space on disk.

I stand by my opinion: I prefer not split packages, even at the expense of some more space needed on disk.

For instance I like the package for vlc provided by alienBOB, as it includes all the needed dependencies. I don't care that some be already available in my system, I can live with duplicates.

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Old 06-16-2010, 06:41 PM   #179
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For instance I like the package for vlc provided by alienBOB, as it includes all the needed dependencies. I don't care that some be already available in my system, I can live with duplicates.
The lesson with VLC (and other pre-packaged multimedia software) is that there are strict dependencies on the versions of supporting libraries. The *ubuntu people usually learn this the hard way; when they upgrade their ffmpeg or x264 packages, several other programs will break - like VLC. Their forums are full of complaints about this dependency hell.

Therefore, adding the support libraries statically to the main VLC package has the advantage that the situation on-disk may change (you add, remove or update your multimedia libraries at will) but the Slackware VLC package is immune to those changes and will continue to function. You'll get a fat package (if you look at the build script, actually over 40 different source tarballs are being used) but I don't care about that.

Handbrake (the video transcoder) adds its support libraries in a similar way (the developers want to control exactly which software and patches their program is using - saves time on support questions).

There is a big thread on ubuntuforums.org about building VLC development snapshots - the procedure is based on how my SlackBuild script adds static libraries... because people are affected negatively by the "medibuntu" packaging disaster. Very funny to read, and confirmation that I follow the right path.

Eric
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:20 AM   #180
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Well then I think you just found your problem. It is kaffeine-mozilla. Try simply downloading your mpeg audio to your disk and open it with either regular kaffeine, or vlc. It is a plugin issue, not a Firefox 3.6 issue.
You're right; uninstalling kaffeine-mozilla solved the stability issue. I'll file a bug report, but in the meantime does somebody know of an mpeg plugin for Firefox that works?
 
  


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