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Old 03-28-2005, 06:25 AM   #16
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Quote:
Originally posted by Oholiab
... I never even used the second install disk anyway! I wanted to make sure Iwas installing the minimum umber of packages anyway, so I simply only burned the first install disk... Gnome is on the second, so I used dropline instead, although admittedly I'm kinda annoyed that the default server for a dropline install is no longer working and they've completely failed to notify on their site!
I have difficulty comprehending your logic. You want to install the minimum number of packages so you install Dropline? Pat's Gnome was way cleaner and slimmer. I don't use the second disk either, I install slapt-get and install the DE from current.

We can only hope that the Gnome devs respond by cleaning up their install process and either reduce the number of dependencies (which is insane) or cram a lot of them in one package with a single build script like KDE does). And maybe start adding features that Gnome should have had ten years ago and stop removing features.
 
Old 03-28-2005, 07:07 AM   #17
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I think that this is just a fact of life, things get dropped if there are alternatives that are easier to maintain.

However, consider the ramifications, how many programs require gnome components or libraries, will this signal the beginning of the end for gtk applications.

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Old 03-28-2005, 07:20 AM   #18
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will this signal the beginning of the end for gtk applications.

samac
i don't think so. a lot nice program are develop on gtk platform...in fact gnome use gtk and not gtk use gnome..
 
Old 03-28-2005, 07:24 AM   #19
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Originally posted by killerbob
gdm is about the only thing I'll miss. I still don't like kdm, and have yet to bother trying to figure out how to get it to talk to remote X servers through xdmcp. It's not absolutely necessary, since I have SSH, but I do like to be able to log in remotely through that protocol.
In KDE 3.4, KDM con be configured to look and behave like GDM and use GDM themes.
 
Old 04-02-2005, 01:31 PM   #20
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Re: Re: Pat makes it official: Gnome is gone from -current

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Originally posted by Haiyadragon
I use to be a Gnome follower but they (Gnome devs) are crapping all over it. It gets worse every version. And without a clean install from current I'm probably never going to touch it again. Also, the alternatives are pretty weak. Only Gsb released a 2.10 version, and that didn't work well at all. Dropline used to be fast about it...
Three weeks is slow? We had just released 2.8.3 soon after it was released (delayed) by GNOME.org. What more can we do? We built the *entire 2.10 desktop* and all supporting apps from scratch on a new build system (which meant porting over more than 200 build scripts - GNOME has a lot of components). Nothing was left over from 2.8.3. That's why things take time.

GSB has been building from the GNOME 2.9 branch for a long time now (and it shows, because it's becoming very polished). Dropline and G-WARE have been working on 2.8.3 until 2.10 got closer to release. It is to my understanding that G-WARE will also have a 2.10 desktop as well soon (judging by their screenshots).

Three weeks may be too slow for you, but we now have a 2.10 PR desktop available, and it's quite nice. You can get it via the Dropline installer on http://www.dropline.net/gnome/download.php

Default theme:
http://www.borgerding.org/dropline/z...ots/2.10_1.png

Managed HAL support takes disk mounting out of the stoneage:
http://www.borgerding.org/dropline/z...ots/2.10_2.png

New GNOME menu system is more intuitive:
http://www.borgerding.org/dropline/z...ots/2.10_3.png

Overall, it's faster than leaner than previous releases (believe it or not).
 
Old 04-02-2005, 01:43 PM   #21
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Are you a dropline developer? Why do you guys replace half the slack base. Is that really necessary. I don't use gnome but if I did I sure as hell wouldn't install something that was going to replace half my core system!
 
Old 04-02-2005, 08:33 PM   #22
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Are you a dropline developer? Why do you guys replace half the slack base. Is that really necessary. I don't use gnome but if I did I sure as hell wouldn't install something that was going to replace half my core system!
Then don't install it. We do what we have to do to make GNOME actually work. I don't think I need to explain this any further to justify what we do in response to exaggerated claims.

Last edited by zborgerd; 04-02-2005 at 08:35 PM.
 
Old 04-02-2005, 08:47 PM   #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by chbin
Are you a dropline developer? Why do you guys replace half the slack base. Is that really necessary. I don't use gnome but if I did I sure as hell wouldn't install something that was going to replace half my core system!
Pattern for easy trolls:
Are you a brand X developer? Why do you guys do {insert false absurdity here (e.g. kill kittens to make brand X)}? I don't use brand X type stuff, but if I did I sure as hell wouldn't use something that {repeat absurdity above}.
 
Old 04-02-2005, 08:50 PM   #24
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Someone needs to do some serious research if they actually believe Dropline replaces
"HALF" of Slacks core system...
 
Old 04-02-2005, 08:56 PM   #25
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Originally posted by ScottHarmon
Pattern for easy trolls:
Are you a brand X developer? Why do you guys do {insert false absurdity here (e.g. kill kittens to make brand X)}? I don't use brand X type stuff, but if I did I sure as hell wouldn't use something that {repeat absurdity above}.

http://www.borgerding.org/dropline/z...ts/kittens.png
 
Old 04-02-2005, 08:56 PM   #26
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Its true, we do replace some slackware system packs. We do have a good reason to replace the packs we replace, and some (Like X) don't have to be used, but are more optimized, and include some security patches that slackware still doesn't include.

http://dlgwiki.dot42.org/index.php/F...ed%20Questions

this page should answer most of the questions you may have about Dropline.

If Dropline had been just a distro of gnome for slackware doing nothing to offer a nicer desktop experience during the days when Pat included gnome, there wouldn't have been a point.
 
Old 04-02-2005, 09:12 PM   #27
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Why even worry about the trolls... If they are that freaking worried
about the stability and security of dropline they must be running
servers... which brings on the question of why the hell they even
running a desktop... 90% of the whiners are probably just noobs
who heard bad things about Dropline from the other 10% who are
most likely slackware die hards still running slack 1.0
 
Old 04-03-2005, 10:40 AM   #28
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it is interesting to see 2 Dropline developers using slack (based from their profile)

as someone pointed out earlier, it is a matter of choice. i do not have any issue with Pat's decision as has done a very good job of maintaining Slackware for more than 10 years now.

 
Old 04-03-2005, 11:15 AM   #29
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I think if someone doesn't like the way Dropline, (or any other GNOME distribution for Slack), does things there is always the option to use another GNOME distributor or compile GNOME yourself. Problem solved, you will have your system the way you want it without any default Slack packages replaced.
 
Old 04-03-2005, 11:19 AM   #30
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I was just curious for a technical reason? For instance replacing the whole X11 package. Why? Do you guys add some patch or something or do something different that the slack version of X11.
 
  


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