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Franklin 03-27-2005 12:19 PM

Pat makes it official: Gnome is gone from -current
 
Read the changelog (I'm sure you know how to find it)

Official KDE 3.4 packages available as well.

Don't shoot the messenger ;)

cylix 03-27-2005 12:50 PM

I'm trying to find out where this is....

So far, the changelog just says they've upgraded the new packages.

Franklin 03-27-2005 01:24 PM

Quote:

gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and
distribution. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons behind this, but it's
been under consideration for more than four years. There are already good
projects in place to provide Slackware GNOME for those who want it, and
these are more complete than what Slackware has shipped in the past. So, if
you're looking for GNOME for Slackware -current, I would recommend looking at
these two projects for well-built packages that follow a policy of minimal
interference with the base Slackware system:

http://gsb.sf.net
http://gware.sf.net

There is also Dropline, of course, which is quite popular. However, due to
their policy of adding PAM and replacing large system packages (like the
entire X11 system) with their own versions, I can't give quite the same sort
of nod to Dropline. Nevertheless, it remains another choice, and it's _your_
system, so I will also mention their project:

http://www.dropline.net/gnome/

Please do not incorrectly interpret any of this as a slight against GNOME
itself, which (although it does usually need to be fixed and polished beyond
the way it ships from upstream more so than, say, KDE or XFce) is a decent
desktop choice. So are a lot of others, but Slackware does not need to ship
every choice. GNOME is and always has been a moving target (even the
"stable" releases usually aren't quite ready yet) that really does demand a
team to keep up on all the changes (many of which are not always well
documented). I fully expect that this move will improve the quality of both
Slackware itself, and the quality (and quantity) of the GNOME options
available for it.

Folks, this is how open source is supposed to work. Enjoy. :-)


Haiyadragon 03-27-2005 01:25 PM

Re: Pat makes it official: Gnome is gone from -current
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Franklin
Read the changelog (I'm sure you know how to find it)
Still, a link would've been nice.

Quote:

gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and
distribution. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons behind this, but it's
been under consideration for more than four years. There are already good
projects in place to provide Slackware GNOME for those who want it, and
these are more complete than what Slackware has shipped in the past. So, if
you're looking for GNOME for Slackware -current, I would recommend looking at
these two projects for well-built packages that follow a policy of minimal
interference with the base Slackware system:

http://gsb.sf.net
http://gware.sf.net

There is also Dropline, of course, which is quite popular. However, due to
their policy of adding PAM and replacing large system packages (like the
entire X11 system) with their own versions, I can't give quite the same sort
of nod to Dropline. Nevertheless, it remains another choice, and it's _your_
system, so I will also mention their project:

http://www.dropline.net/gnome/

Please do not incorrectly interpret any of this as a slight against GNOME
itself, which (although it does usually need to be fixed and polished beyond
the way it ships from upstream more so than, say, KDE or XFce) is a decent
desktop choice. So are a lot of others, but Slackware does not need to ship
every choice. GNOME is and always has been a moving target (even the
"stable" releases usually aren't quite ready yet) that really does demand a
team to keep up on all the changes (many of which are not always well
documented). I fully expect that this move will improve the quality of both
Slackware itself, and the quality (and quantity) of the GNOME options
available for it.

Folks, this is how open source is supposed to work. Enjoy. :-)
I use to be a Gnome follower but they (Gnome devs) are crapping all over it. It gets worse every version. And without a clean install from current I'm probably never going to touch it again. Also, the alternatives are pretty weak. Only Gsb released a 2.10 version, and that didn't work well at all. Dropline used to be fast about it...

edit. Damn I'm slow...

xushi 03-27-2005 01:25 PM

its not the end of the world.. just get it from the other developers Pat mentioned about...

killerbob 03-27-2005 09:46 PM

gdm is about the only thing I'll miss. I still don't like kdm, and have yet to bother trying to figure out how to get it to talk to remote X servers through xdmcp. It's not absolutely necessary, since I have SSH, but I do like to be able to log in remotely through that protocol.

cereal83 03-27-2005 11:01 PM

I never used or liked gnome so thank god in a way

J.W. 03-27-2005 11:14 PM

Yipes, this is huge news. Regardless of whether someone uses Slackware or prefers another distro, no one can question that Patrick knows what he's doing, and if he is steering away from Gnome, that's a serious vote.

Personally I think Gnome has its merits, but KDE is my default desktop environment on both my distros of choice. It will be interesting to see if/how the other distros react to this decision. Just my 2 cents -- J.W.

xgreen 03-28-2005 01:34 AM

i think dropping gnome is not an issue...because some distro provide gnome only like ubuntu and some KDE like MEPIS...so there is nothing wrong by dropping gnome..and no one should question pat decision.... if somebody does....pls question to ubuntu why they don't include KDE...

i think is a matter of choice......

Stang_Man 03-28-2005 01:41 AM

I haven't used anything but Gnome so I don't really have a valid opinion on the subject... But I don't have any problems with Gnome and I enjoy using it.

vharishankar 03-28-2005 01:54 AM

KDE is just a more professional-looking, finished product. Gnome has never appealed to me. After using KDE, Gnome feels rustic and lacking in features. KDE is *immensely* configurable.

But that's just my subjective opinion.

trey85stang 03-28-2005 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harishankar
KDE is just a more professional-looking, finished product. Gnome has never appealed to me. After using KDE, Gnome feels rustic and lacking in features. KDE is *immensely* configurable.

But that's just my subjective opinion.

I feel the exact opposite :)

I am a gnome fan... but if its not in the distro.. I will get it elsewhere. Salckware is still my OS :D

vharishankar 03-28-2005 02:09 AM

It really doesn't matter much. Gnome fans can use other sources to install as well. I don't use Slackware so this problem is not really of much interest to me, but I believe that Gnome can still be installed through 3rd party utils.

The reason I didn't install Ubuntu is because of Gnome. It takes a lot of getting used to and the "power" feel of KDE is just not there.

I think the gap between KDE users and Gnome users is unbridgeable. The two desktop environments are as different from one another as night is to day. :p

Oholiab 03-28-2005 05:47 AM

... I never even used the second install disk anyway! I wanted to make sure Iwas installing the minimum umber of packages anyway, so I simply only burned the first install disk... Gnome is on the second, so I used dropline instead, although admittedly I'm kinda annoyed that the default server for a dropline install is no longer working and they've completely failed to notify on their site!

Franklin 03-28-2005 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nazmin
i think dropping gnome is not an issue...because some distro provide gnome only like ubuntu and some KDE like MEPIS...so there is nothing wrong by dropping gnome..and no one should question pat decision.... if somebody does....pls question to ubuntu why they don't include KDE...

i think is a matter of choice......

Apples and oranges.

Many recent "distros of the month" started out with only Gnome or KDE. For the oldest, still maintained distro to drop something that they have always provided AND have that be an ENTIRE desktop environment, IMHO, is about far more than Gnome.

I would not be surprised if other large distros began to drop big things from the package list as well - not because PV did, but because they always wanted to. The descision making process is just much longer in situations where there is not only one person at the helm. Even in PV's case, it took 4 years for him to finally get around to doing it.

I think the handwriting is on the wall. The day of providing everything but the kitchen sink is coming to an end. Look at Debian's recent descision to stop supporting a number of architectures in the interest of decreasing the time between releases. Not exactly the same thing, but the same issues are at work. Just because this is free software doesn,t mean the economics of time and manpower are not a consideration.

That's it for now, my crystal ball is out of batteries. :D


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