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Old 06-23-2005, 08:56 AM   #1
rgogada
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no sound with snd-intel8x0


Hi, I am a newbee to linux. I have recently installed slackware 10.1. everything is fine but, there is no sound. I have integrated sound card with my intel 845gl mother board. I did run the alsa mixer and unmuted. I have black listed the snd-intel8x0m as adviced by some threads. still no luck. I could play my dvds with xine with out sound. when i run the lsmod and lspci the sound card did appear. please somebody help.

thanks in advance.
 
Old 06-23-2005, 09:10 AM   #2
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what kernel do you have? If its 2.4.x do this:
cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig
go to sound then oss and enable the intel8x0 option
exit and save
make deps && make && make modules_install && make install
reboot your computer
under root run alsaconf
it should detect snd-intel8x0
then it should work
I have 2.6.x I have yet to get alsa to work with the intel8x0. I would use oss but its deprecated.
 
Old 06-23-2005, 10:05 AM   #3
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Bird,

What you're describing makes no sense at all. Why would you go enable OSS in the kernel and then still try to use ALSA?

Rgogada, have you run alsaconf yet? If not, give that a shot.
If so, run alsamixer and keep playing around with the channels. Some cards and chipsets are very picky about what channels need to be muted, unmuted etc. Chances are that it is a mixer setting gone awry.

--Shade
 
Old 06-23-2005, 10:35 AM   #4
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I advise newbies to stick to the official 2.4.x supplied kernels from Slackware.
This supports your Intel sound chip without any additional compilation, but there was an issue with alsa up to 1.0.9. The kernel finds the modem function of the 8x0m and makes the modem card0 and the sound port card1. This messes up with KDE and does not work. There was a work round mentioned in this forum a few times. This either used options in /etc/modules.conf to force the sound module to card0 or by using /etc/hotplug/blacklist to stop the modem module loading.
The new kernel 2.4.31 and alsa 1.09 in "current" appears to have solved the problem.
 
Old 06-23-2005, 11:13 AM   #5
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davidsrsb,

He has already blacklisted the modem module.

I think it's a mixer setting.

--Shade
 
Old 06-23-2005, 12:02 PM   #6
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i enabled alsa oss modules and it found the module. So it either was sheer luck that it worked or was using oss. either way it worked so it didn't matter.
 
Old 06-23-2005, 08:33 PM   #7
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try your solutions before you post

Hello to all my fellow linuxers. I would appreciate it if you guys would try out your solutions before posting, instead of saying "do this... and type this...reboot now... and everything should work. Hope it worx." There should be no "hoping", because you should already have tested it out before you tell a noob what to do. You have to do that or else it will be like the "blind leading the blind" around www.linuxquestions.org. (No offense if you have a blind relative or friend.) The FreeBSD and *BSD guys are laughing at many linuxers "dumbness", they say that we don't read manuals, our whining and always crying because we have a hard time configuring stuff. Test your solutions first. It's actually more efficient. BTW linux-laptop.net is slackin'. They haven't included my install on the Dell Inspiron 1000. It's a dang good report over at www.angelfire.com/linux/t_johnson. Watch out for the unmerciful popups man; enable popup blocking in your browser before you even think of going over there.
 
Old 06-23-2005, 08:47 PM   #8
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ah...and what was your solution again... ?
( the one that you tested please )

btw...your post looks like a brick.
..use some whitespace to make it readable next time plz.

egag
 
Old 06-24-2005, 02:51 AM   #9
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In order to test our solutions, we would need to accuratly reproduce the users problem. Sometimes we cant, and even if we can, most of us wont shoot ideas that we dont think will work. Thoes ideas that we do have may not always get you all the way there, but somtimes you just need a nudge in the right direction so you know what to look up.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 04:02 AM   #10
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Thank you very much guys. Yes I did run alsa mixer and played around using different combinations. still i couldn't hear a bark. I am using the default kernel that came with 10.1 distro standard installation.

However I could not run the alsaconfig as a normal user. I could run alsamixer but couldn't store. so I did all that sa root. does that really matter??

is there anything else I can try or shall I go back to mandrake 10.1 where everything seems fine. Please help

Last edited by rgogada; 06-24-2005 at 04:19 AM.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 07:24 AM   #11
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I use the same card and had the same problem last time, I had used alsamixer to unmute the sound and no sound from media players though they are playing music fine. Then I googled and find a way -- use alsamixer to turn off "Headphone Jack Sense" and "Line Jack Sense" (by pressing key "M").

Please try it and see what would happen.

Last edited by kite; 06-24-2005 at 10:16 AM.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 07:27 AM   #12
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Quote:
I could not run the alsaconfig as a normal user
As this script loads some alsa modules, root privileges are required
Could you load modules as normal user in Mandrake, if yes it is
a big security hole

Quote:
I could run alsamixer but couldn't store
alsactl store command will store mixer settings in /etc/asound.state
as this file is owned by root and not writable by other user, you
are not able to store mixer setting as normal user, you could
chown root:audio /etc/asound.state, chmod 660 /etc/asound.state
and add your user to audio group so you will be able to
/usr/sbin/alsactl store to store your mixer settings
 
Old 06-25-2005, 02:47 PM   #13
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Re: try your solutions before you post

Quote:
Originally posted by tmantist
Hello to all my fellow linuxers. I would appreciate it if you guys would try out your solutions before posting, instead of saying "do this... and type this...reboot now... and everything should work. Hope it worx." There should be no "hoping", because you should already have tested it out before you tell a noob what to do. You have to do that or else it will be like the "blind leading the blind" around www.linuxquestions.org. (No offense if you have a blind relative or friend.) The FreeBSD and *BSD guys are laughing at many linuxers "dumbness", they say that we don't read manuals, our whining and always crying because we have a hard time configuring stuff. Test your solutions first. It's actually more efficient. BTW linux-laptop.net is slackin'. They haven't included my install on the Dell Inspiron 1000. It's a dang good report over at www.angelfire.com/linux/t_johnson. Watch out for the unmerciful popups man; enable popup blocking in your browser before you even think of going over there.
This might have started as a new thread as the subject line has no relation with the content.

Do not misunderstand me, but I request you to think yourself that unless an user indulge into an exactly same problem before, he cannot tell how to fix the problem. So there might have 'may be', 'try with', 'do this' type of instructions from the solvers end.

Moreover, if solvers stops posting unless they become sure that his solution must work then the number of solution will go on decreasing and the forum will be of questions only without answers as there is no gurantee that a thread starter can always explain correctly in his first post about the problem he is suffering from.

Nobody can understand the situation or problem which somebody is facing, the solvers only try to guess the problem with some error messages. Some error message might occur due to several reasons, so to be sure, the solver needs more elaborate descriptions and that is why they instructs with some 'try', 'do this', 'hope this will work' etc. It is beacuse, if it fails, then there is another way. Most of the threads are solved in this way.

An expert computer user has to rely on this type of gussing, as most of the programs also based on some if.....do this......else...do this type of works and the errors are also generates from those sources. In this way if the solvers 'hope this will work' fails, he can easily detect the other and can solve with that second option.

However, still I appreciate your views and very much keen on viewing the solutions made by you. I am interested to know the way you detect the exact problem in very first situation and become sure with one solution. Hope you will give some links of your solutions.

With best regards
anindyanuri
 
Old 06-25-2005, 03:34 PM   #14
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i agree with anindyanuri
but this guy is sure that any question that's posted
should have only one reply: the universal solution.

see this :

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...38#post1681138

so far all his posts have a few things in common :
they're off topic and look like a brick.

but maybe tmantist is gonna post a " howto test solutions for problems that you don't have ".
i'm looking forward to that one...

egag
 
Old 06-26-2005, 03:12 AM   #15
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reply to criticism of me

Hello those who do not like my postings. Yes this post is not on topic, but I feel that it is necessary in my defense. Please excuse that fact. I was properly criticized by anindyanuri, and baited by a person who is very fond of MS Windows. I think I know why, therefore please allow me to address some issues. And I did not know that posting in blocks is a common annoyance.

I expressed an opinion to how the helps on linuxquestions.org are to be carried out. I do not support the view of one answer one post paradigm! And I do not want to be a "forum nazi" of any sort. I merely suggested that people test their suggestions to solutions before posting them to avoid some of the following scenarios: mislead people, the blind leading the blind situations, frustration of doing things and the result not working that were implied to be bullet proof, and wasted time.


I think it leads to better debugging and learning if more people are testing than "hoping" and "shoulding". You even gain experience with Linux by testing before posting. What I'm saying is that suggestions are 'perfecto', but ensure reliability in the suggested help alongside of giving suggestions that you think might help or work. By the way I'm not saying that you should be correct on every suggestion(because communication is a key to problem solving) you make. I'm saying "trying it out" yourself under replicable environments is ideal. In contrast some guys post suggestions and honestly know that they aren't even ~sure that what their telling people to type is going to work or even make sense, since they have not tried it themselves. Some suggesters can't "try out" everything they suggest, but that's where minor research comes in, and if your research turns up little or nothing then you have all the right to suggest with your 10% certainty. I would do the same.


Do you think that a Linux guru or a guru of any other Unix OS would be careless or irresponsible with their advice? Those in the know would stray from speculation is my answer.


You might call me a hypocrite, but I DID manage to get ALSA to work with my 2.6.11 kernel prior to complaining on linuxquestions.org about ALSA not working. Why was I opening my trap about it not working? I recompiled my 2.6.11 to get some Flash Card capability(SD/MMC/Compact Flash). After installing and rebooting to my new kernel that's when ALSA "randomly" decided to act up. I still have the other bzImage-2.6.11.old with the ALSA drivers built into the kernel. I loaded the old .config to build that resulted in a problem kernel. Now I had no sound with either kernels nor the one that Volkerding included with Slackware-10.1. (Bless his heart and I wish that he gets better soon.) Sound works with OSS(Open Sound System), the sound architecture that Linux used prior to ALSA(Advanced Linux Sound Architecture). Recently I removed the 2 problem kernels and reinstalled the same 2.6.11 with support for sound by OSS instead of ALSA. I have sound under OSS.


I suspect that the problem with ALSA on my box "runs deep". Therefore I have woken up OSS and laid ALSA out to pasture on my machine. I'll switch to ALSA in the future. For now I'll let my ALSA problem rest and suffice with OSS.

If your having a problem with ALSA. I'll work with you to figure out problems. I'm not a newbie. I'm a medium skill level Linuxer. Slackware is my 6th unix. 2+ years of Linux experience. I need to change my account status to reflect that fact. If anymore important issues or criticisms please email me at tmantist@yahoo.com. I want to keep the beef out of the forums and get to some troubleshooting around this place. BTW people that use Unices have the thinking that MS Windows is an inferior OS by numerous factors.

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