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Old 01-21-2012, 04:28 PM   #121
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Thumbs up yet another user oppinion


I think there is one more thing:
it was a time Slackware was the distro of choice for making a oneshot customized system, the Backtrack distro is an example of.

Now just keep this time in focus:
Then came ?buntu/Debian Redhat changes and Slackware feel (kind of) out of the wagon:
they forced releases "in time" and not in "ready state" and broke ABI-s and other stuff
"standards"? Yes if You call "standard" walking around like a moving target?

And now i see the same old (good) Slackware is all the same, but the leaders of the distros with most manpower keep up a pace where no quality can follow:

look at the result:
In the short run it apears that Slackware is falling behind: version numbers go up like crazy, and the superficial journalists may call it "progress", features just walk in and out. Sometimes i feel like there is a competition to be just a bit more "Slackware unlike"?

In the long run, I get ever more new come Slackers that find Slackware is a _true_ safe haven of this development craze:
You put it "this way" and it works "this way" until the beraings of the HDD (GOD forbid) wear down.
"just works" like in the tales of ancient UNIX gurus

Mnah,
I stay with Slackware:
if slackware ever ceases upgrading: so will I too.
Stevan C.

P.S.
I do like Sidux, for example, but it's stable 3 months a year and fresh 3 months a year, and ont both in the same time .
 
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:37 PM   #122
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I am concerned that the Slackbook has fallen behind the changes in Slackware. The Slackbook was a major reason why I chose Slackware. The Slackbook is an important resource for Slackware users.
Erik,
You are right on here:
I would like to see the (any) book about Slackware, with close guidance of the OEM team (or OSM to be correct?) and would like to see it as a collective effort:
Newbies helping the FAQ
advanced users making quick HOWTOS
seasoned users and contributors documenting the most gory addons and details (...now I'm drooling...)
and Pat calling the shots...
But I would liek to see it made easy and seamless?

a call to the wiki?
 
Old 01-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #123
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oftopic, sorry:
my useragent is (?)
I use Dillo 2.2 (on Slackware of course)
 
Old 01-21-2012, 04:47 PM   #124
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Slackware maintainers have traditionally more often than not been very negative about anything new
This is a caricature. New developments have always been received on their merits when they are ready. For example, udev was received with almost universal rejoicing and adopted quickly everywhere. A lightweight logging system that *doesn't* force systemd on us might also be welcomed...
 
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:05 PM   #125
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I would like to see the (any) book about Slackware, with close guidance of the OEM team (or OSM to be correct?) and would like to see it as a collective effort
The book's source, even for the new beta, is all free to download and expand. So why is everybody shouting that the book should be updated and people should make it a collaborative effort, and nobody really starts a serious effort?

Nobody likes writing documentation apparently, it is tedious.

Eric
 
Old 01-21-2012, 06:11 PM   #126
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Maybe I am off topic here, but I have this little question.
All of us know that Slackware-current is inactive for some time now and I completely understand that Patrick wants, needs and deserves some free time.
But my question is, is this only a break or is some health problem?

Some time back he had some health problem, I heard, so I am just concerned :S
 
Old 01-22-2012, 05:52 AM   #127
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When I was little my mother would say to me,if everyone jumped in the river would you ?...no of course not, I will do as I think, regardless of what the majority do... Slackware is only the best because it has the best developers and appreciators in the whole universe... LOL
 
Old 01-22-2012, 06:20 AM   #128
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Maybe I am off topic here, but I have this little question.
All of us know that Slackware-current is inactive for some time now and I completely understand that Patrick wants, needs and deserves some free time.
But my question is, is this only a break or is some health problem?

Some time back he had some health problem, I heard, so I am just concerned :S

I am concerned that way, too . . . . . . .
 
Old 01-22-2012, 06:54 AM   #129
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people worry too much
 
Old 01-22-2012, 07:16 AM   #130
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people worry too much
Additionally, I don't think this thread (or LQ is general) is the place to discuss Pat's private issues.
 
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Old 01-22-2012, 07:27 AM   #131
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My two cents is that I think that slackware is an awesome distro that is solid, dependable, and flexible. If it aint broken there's no need to fix it. The next release will be ready when it's ready, whether it's a day, week, month, etc. I like slackware just the way it is.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 07:53 AM   #132
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As usual it will be ready when it's ready. None of your speculations come with even the slightest data to back them up. It will be released when it is ready to be called Slackware.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 09:29 AM   #133
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Additionally, I don't think this thread (or LQ is general) is the place to discuss Pat's private issues.
Agreed. Non of our business..
 
Old 01-22-2012, 10:09 AM   #134
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Additionally, I don't think this thread (or LQ is general) is the place to discuss Pat's private issues.
His private life, I agree, and as I've said before, I don't think anyone would blame Mr. Volkerding for taking some well deserved time off; he has earned it! However, and some may not like to hear this, but Slackware IS A BUSINESS. As a business, Mr. Volkerding whether he is working, very quietly, on the next major release, or is off fishing with his family, SHOULD MAKE A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT and appoint others to take up the slack (pun intended) and get out security updates, etc.

I've been in business for almost 40 years and I can tell you from hard learned experience that the quickest way to lose clients (customers, users, whatever you want to call them) is lack of communication. If you keep in touch with a phone call every now and then or maybe just a Christmas card once a year, they will endure almost anything and remain loyal. Had one client call me and say you better call Bill (another client) he is mad as all h***. So, I called him and he was as nice as could be. Towards the end of the conversation he said, "hey, I just wanted to hear from you." Before someone brings it up, I'm not suggesting such a "personal" approach from Mr. Volkerding, it would be impossible, but a public announcement would be appropriate.

Slackware has lost a lot ground over the years to the "easier to use" Linux distributions and in recent years to Centos (sp) and others in the corporate suite. The sort of behavior we have witnessed over the last 9 months, yes we are less than a week away from the last release on 27 April 2011, will only make it worst. People, especially the corporate types, don't and won't deal with a company, i.e., Slackware, that can't or won't "keep their house in order."

Don't get me wrong. I've been a Slackware user since 1995 (off and on ) and sincerely hope nothing is wrong, but as I said above, you have to keep in touch with your users, i.e., keep them informed.

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Old 01-22-2012, 10:35 AM   #135
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Um, but there is no release schedule, and this is a good thing. This way things don't get shoved out the door half-done or unstable. Really, this is the foundation of Slackware.

I recommend everyone who wants a release schedule to go use a distro with a release schedule and see if they like it. If you come back, then quit complaining.
 
  


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