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Old 01-21-2012, 10:32 AM   #106
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Depends on your browser. In firefox 8:
1. Go to whatsmyuseragent.com and copy this string. Mine was:
Code:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1
2. Go to about:config, add new integer "general.useragent.override"
3. Paste the ua string you got in step 1 into value textbox in step 2
4. Insert 'Slackware' before 'Linux' within the parentheses. Mine now reads:
Code:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Slackware Linux i686; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1
There was a whole thread (now closed) dedicated to testing this out here.

HTH
In your step 2 you state add new integer "general.useragent.override". Should this not be add new string for 'general.useragent.override' then in the text box for 'general.useragent.override';
Quote:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Slackware Linux i686; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1
or the correct user string for the users output from whatsmyuseragent.com

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Old 01-21-2012, 10:50 AM   #107
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My take on the future of Slackware :

Thanks to the efforts of RedHat and Lennart, the Linux userland is becoming more and more coherent and integrated day by day. The basic components are therefore becoming more and more dependent on each other and that means that it's going to get increasingly difficult not to standardize if you want to stay up to date. So I expect that either the next version of Slackware or the one after that (they might resist for a while) will see a lot of changes. Or that they will just quit altogether because they won't be able to continue with their conservative policies.
Are You ready to be proven wrong?

My take is PAM will be avoided as long as practical, the only reason there are 3rd party packages providing it, is: that there are commercial binaries that won't work without it.

The like is with HAL: where it possible to compile a full system without it: in the bin it goes! But
quite few things hang about it, and so we (must) have it.

I personally loved it more in the pre-HAL days of the tidy and lean Slackware.
It still is lean, but the way development heads, it loses it's appealing tidiness and looks ever more like Debian.
Now don't take me wrong- I have nothing against Debian - but I like _mine_ system to be more _like_ Slackware is: tidy; and the /etc/ as concise and human as possible

Pat, just do Your own thing man!
 
Old 01-21-2012, 10:51 AM   #108
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Hi,

In your step 2 you state add new integer "general.useragent.override". Should this not be add new string "general.useragent.override" then in the text box for 'general.useragent.override'; or the correct user string for the users output from whatsmyuseragent.com
correct to the bit (watch my <-OS signature )
 
Old 01-21-2012, 10:53 AM   #109
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Standards are of little use unless they are developed by a large majority of the potential users. A standard has to provide real benefits and be practical in order for it to be adopted. Also, standards developed by organizations with too much self interest tend to be fluid. The standards change for the convenience of the controlling organizations.

I have continued to use Slackware partly because it doesn't always follow the herd of penguins over the cliff. I also like to make my own choices about how to configure and use operating systems. Windows is a great example of a "standard" controlled by a single entity with little or no influence by actual users. Though I don't always agree with all the individual decisions, I do agree with the general direction of Slackware.

I don't think that adopting or ignoring standards will kill Slackware. What will kill Slackware is departing from the tradition of flexibility, reliability and simplicity. I am concerned that the Slackbook has fallen behind the changes in Slackware. The Slackbook was a major reason why I chose Slackware. The Slackbook is an important resource for Slackware users.
 
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:05 AM   #110
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Honestly Old Fogie, it is difficult to understand what you are trying to say when you speak in incomplete sentences. The reconstructed Proto Indo-European language is the putative parent of many language families that enjoy widespread use today, including English. But despite the fact that there are more than 3 billion native speakers, in none of those languages could such a fragment be construed as a sentence.
LQ is a world community!
So to have a stringent format is impossible. Not everyone constructs nor have the abilities to follow rules. Some could use a free online grammar check but that too could be a problem for locale users. I do understand what Old_Fogie presented. Old_Fogie could construct differently here but we are not submitting a thesis or defending articles.

Please remember that LQ is a world community!
 
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:53 AM   #111
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Absolute nonsense.

Just because the devs of a few utilities decide to drop support doesn't mean the end of Slackware. That is extreme extrapolation and very unlikely. Someone can fork the old code anytime.
Sure, but who is going to maintain this fork ? Virtually no one cares about not supporting PAM and so on. And the few who do, do not have the required skills in C and/or enough time to maintain the fork. So the only thing they can do to maintain
the status quo is to stick to old versions which as time passes will become increasingly impractical.

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I do not care at all for a "standardized" Linux, because that will be the end of it.
Unfortunately for you, that's not what the vast majority of users and developers want.

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Linux is about choice and about freedom, and I don't agree with RedHat or other companies coming with with some standard that they think everyone should use. I am free to use whatever I want, and if someone drops support for something, I'll just use something else.

PAM complicates things a lot, so I'm not sure how this is being dealt with, but I am sure that Pat V. and the team will make the right choice.

For sure it will NOT be the end of Slackware. Where do you get this stuff ?
Slackware maintainers have traditionally more often than not been very negative about anything new, so it wouldn't surprise me that now that they will figuratively be dragged by the hair to adopt new technologies they dislike so as to stay up to date, they might just call it quits. I hope not.
 
Old 01-21-2012, 01:24 PM   #112
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Unfortunately for you, that's not what the vast majority of users and developers want.
Really ? How do you know that ? Because lots of people use *buntu ? Most of those users are what I would call "temporary" users. They can and probably will switch back to Window$ as soon as something breaks. They don't care about learning, or freedom, or choice. They usually try Linux just because someone told that it's better than Window$. They're missing the point, and I think you are too. Linux is not Window$ and is not like Window$. There is no standard UI, standard DE, standard WM, etc. No, the users get to choose what programs they like. The only standard is the kernel and (often) the directory layout (although bleeding edge distros like to challenge this). If Linux becomes "standardized" in the sense that Window$ is, Linux will die. It will become Window$.
 
Old 01-21-2012, 01:38 PM   #113
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Really KnutBluetooth, I wonder what you are doing in this Slackware channel. Clearly, Slackware's philosophy does not agree with you. Fortunately for you there is still choice and you can pick a distro that is more to your liking.

What Poettering et.al. are trying to achieve is not a unification of Linux functionality. What they are doing is putting fences up and making sure that nobody except people of the same belief will be able to run the Linux they envision. This not only leaves people in the cold who want to keep a choice of how a Linux distro is built, but also it alienates people from outside the Linux ecosystem. You know, there is more than Linux, people!

The core motivation that created UNIX in the first place is that you build a poweful OS with lots of small tools that are very good in doing one thing. This enabled lots of other groups of developers to expand on that idea and come up with the UNIX flavours and variants we have now - and that incorporates the BSD's and Linux'es too. Now look at systemd, one humongous program that tries to do everything at once.

What is happening now, is that we are forced back into the stone age of computing, where everything is determined by a few people and we can not run anything except what they feed us through those fences.

At this moment for instance, it is entirely possible to use KDE and Gnome on SUN Soluaris, HP-UX, several flavours of BSD, and so on. What is going to happen is that the developers of these desktop environents (but not only they) will have to make choices or rather "choose sides".
It will be disastrous. Remember that there was talk of moving Gnome into the direction of a Linux-only desktop environment or possibly even a whole distro on its own. Instead of trying to get a foothold and challenging the dominance of the Microsoft and Apple OS-es this will kill off any concept of freedom we currently have.

If Pat decides that he has enough of this feudalism I will not disagree with him. However in the meantime I will do my utmost to resist to "adopt new technologies they dislike so as to stay up to date". Slackware is a refreshing and much needed exception in the incestuous Linux distro world forced to bend to petty little dictators like Lennart Poettering.

Eric
 
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:40 PM   #114
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Aw, com-on 'H' Slackware is a standard in my mind as a Gnu/Linux. Never a "It will become Window$."
 
Old 01-21-2012, 01:46 PM   #115
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Excellent post by Alien Bob, it sums it all up.
 
Old 01-21-2012, 01:48 PM   #116
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Aw, com-on, Gary! You don't want Slackware to become a clone of 90+% of the other distros, do you? You CANNOT be serious!!!
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Excellent post by Alien Bob, it sums it all up.
Agreed.

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Old 01-21-2012, 01:56 PM   #117
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Hi,

Let me clarify a bit!
Look at Slackware as it progressed from the start to now. Slackware has established a standard in itself. Fits the standardization(1) as set forth by PV.
 
Old 01-21-2012, 01:58 PM   #118
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Excellent post by Alien Bob, it sums it all up.
Agreed!
 
Old 01-21-2012, 02:07 PM   #119
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Fits the standardization(1) as set forth by PV.
Yes, good. But other people are talking about a "standardised" Linux, probably decided upon by Red Hat, Canonical, Debian, whoever.
BTW, you keep missing the ® out.

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Old 01-21-2012, 02:23 PM   #120
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Not really!

I just look at things a bit differently. I've read this thread and find a lot of the points have been covered long ago.
 
  


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