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aaditya 10-16-2013 10:25 AM

New Slacker: Some Observations
 
Hello :)

I have recently installed Slackware 14.0

History-

I had tried to initially install it around 2-3 months before.

First when I tried, I got kernel panics, but I searched for it and found that using rootdelay=10 solved that problem.

Then I couldnt get my wifi connection up and also couldnt use startx.

Then some days earlier I tried it again, and I thought, am I doing something wrong ;) as startx: command not found ?

Perhaps I had downloaded a minimal edition?
Then I again went to the Get Slack page and saw that there were many CDs needed.
Using the first CD, it installed the basics, and even though I had selected the GUI, it didnt install it.(no warning)
So I downloaded the 2nd CD also, and reinstalled.

One question I ask- why use Lilo?
I has to reinstall lilo like 5-6 times. It (mostly)failed on its own.
Sometimes I got the following error-
"L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99"
and once-
"The kernel overlaps with...."
I had to reinstall it many times by using the install disk -> Select / partition -> Customise and reinstalled Lilo.

Solution-How about using syslinux? Its in the repos.

Secondly I cant work with the initrd..whenever I use it I get stuck in the initramfs while booting.
I created the initrd according to the installation instructions.
Now I dont know whether (perhaps) its because of Lilo not using the append rootdelay=10 for my second entry, or due to something else.

And third I cant find a volumeicon for my system tray.

Thanks.
PS. I mean them more like suggestions than criticism :)

hitest 10-16-2013 11:18 AM

Welcome to the official Slackware forum. I suggest that you read the book. Many topics are covered: partitioning,installing software, etc.

http://www.slackbook.org/html/index.html

aaditya 10-16-2013 11:54 AM

Will have a look, thank you :)

Now that I have gotten myself to the forums, I will read the stickies as well as time permits.:)

Bazzaah 10-16-2013 01:21 PM

Have a look here too

http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:beginners_guide

frankbell 10-16-2013 08:49 PM

There's also http://slackwiki.com/Main_Page

zrdc28 10-16-2013 10:07 PM

If you will download and install from the dvd you will not have those problems. Do a full install and write lilo
to the mbr.

aaditya 10-19-2013 06:18 AM

Updates-

1.) Unable to get Syslinux working. So using Lilo ;)

2.)Initrd problem I figured out-
The error I used to get was
Code:

No kernel modules compiled
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/.../slackware.png

So I again ran the command from the wiki in order to take a screenshot of it to post here, and I noticed something ;)

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/...slackware2.png

Following the wiki, I was adding the following to lilo.conf
Code:

image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-3.2.29
  initrd = /boot/initrd.gz # add this line so that lilo sees initrd.gz
  root = /dev/sda1
  label = Slackware
  read-only

But I noticed that the kernel modules were being complied for the smp-kernel, not the generic one!

So after I changed the entry in lilo that also works.

3.)volumeicon
I was able to install it from slackbuilds.org :)

However on trying to increase the root partition size, I may have damaged it.
So may need to re-install.

I have another question which is partitially answered-
4.)Can I do an inplace upgrade without the CDs, like Debian?
And on searching I found slapt-get, which may do the job ;)
But I am a little unclear on this..for the update(upgrade?)to 14.1, will slackpkg update-all do?
Or will I have to use slapt-get?
Thanks!

andrewthomas 10-19-2013 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaditya (Post 5048548)
But I noticed that the kernel modules were being complied for the smp-kernel, not the generic one!

This is because the generic (HUGE) kernel has many things built-in.

garpu 10-19-2013 07:27 AM

Something sounds like it went very, very wrong with your install. Did you select a full install? It's usually best until you know how slackware is laid out. And the beginner's guide has actual, useful information. I've been using slackware for a good 10 years, and I still consult it. (Namely because it's information I forget--stuff you only use once a year or so when upgrading or reinstalling.)

aaditya 10-19-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewthomas (Post 5048560)
This is because the generic (HUGE) kernel has many things built-in.

Nope..I meant generic specifically by name, not by function ;)

The kernel generic in function is the hugesmp, to which vmlinuz is symlinked.
However as given in the Configuration part of the wiki, its said to compile an initrd, and add to lilo the generic(striped-down) kernel + specific modules + initrd.

But as I said, in the wiki, addition to lilo is said for generic, not generic-smp.
(I will edit the wiki when I get an account there :) )

Quote:

Originally Posted by garpu (Post 5048573)
Something sounds like it went very, very wrong with your install. Did you select a full install? It's usually best until you know how slackware is laid out. And the beginner's guide has actual, useful information. I've been using slackware for a good 10 years, and I still consult it. (Namely because it's information I forget--stuff you only use once a year or so when upgrading or reinstalling.)

Yes, initially I didnt download CD#2, and thrahed about somewhat, but I learned that as I said in my first post :)

I consulted the beginners guide, and as I said before, its given incorrect/incomplete there about adding which entry to /etc/lilo.conf after making an initrd, which I will amend when I get access ;)


Edit-

4.) On reading more, I think I will have to use slack-apt to upgrade from 14.0 to 14.1
http://www.slackwiki.com/Upgrade_Using_Slapt-get

Didier Spaier 10-19-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaditya (Post 5048610)
4.) On reading more, I think I will have to use slack-apt to upgrade from 14.0 to 14.1
http://www.slackwiki.com/Upgrade_Using_Slapt-get

No. Instead, just follow official instructions provided in file UPGRADE.TXT here. That's a lot safer, especially for Slackware newcomers.

Just re-read these instructions when Slackware-14.1 will be released as there could be some changes at that time.

aaditya 10-19-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Spaier (Post 5048669)
No. Instead, just follow official instructions provided in file UPGRADE.TXT here. That's a lot safer, especially for Slackware newcomers.

Just re-read these instructions when Slackware-14.1 will be released as there could be some changes at that time.

Ah, okay :)

And how to get the packages? Can I use slapt-get for that ;)

Didier Spaier 10-19-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaditya (Post 5048674)
And how to get the packages? Can I use slapt-get for that ;)

That's explained in the file itself, just read it.

Toutatis 10-19-2013 12:36 PM

I suggest that you use only the huge kernel. I never had problems with that.

I always download and install the new packages by hand. No slackXXX is necessary.

The result is that I never had to re-install everything (except on old computers when I moved from slackware to slackware64). Always I did only upgrade. This is a huge difference with other distributions.

aaditya 10-19-2013 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Spaier (Post 5048678)
That's explained in the file itself, just read it.

Sorry, seems like I wasnt paying enough attention :(

Edit-

Quote:

To do this, you'll need the Slackware 14.1 packages. If these are on a CD,
create a new directory to mount the CD on so that it doesn't get in the way
during the upgrade:

The packages don't have to be on a CD-ROM, as an alternative you could
copy the slackware directory (the one with the various package
subdirectories in it, basically the "slackware" or "slackware64" directory
from the install disc) to someplace like /root/slackware/. The important thing
is that you know where the slackware packages directory is.
The CD would contain other packages that which are required for upgrading, right? like the installer and so on..

So If I didnt want to download the CD, how should I go about it?
(Thats why I said slapt-apt to get the packages)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toutatis (Post 5048679)
I suggest that you use only the huge kernel. I never had problems with that.

I always download and install the new packages by hand. No slackXXX is necessary.

The result is that I never had to re-install everything (except on old computers when I moved from slackware to slackware64). Always I did only upgrade. This is a huge difference with other distributions.

Does this mean that Slackware(Stable) is partly rolling then, ie, apt-get dist-upgrade to go from ver 6 to ver 7 ?

Edit-
Sorry for the noob questions i will read some more. :)


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