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Old 09-30-2012, 11:07 PM   #16
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I use an HP LaserJet P1102w. Works like a charm.

Personally, I'm ok with Canon (can't speak for their linux support because I don't know) but I've never had anything but problems with Epson. I've heard that Samsung printers are ok under linux, but you would want to look into that.
 
Old 09-30-2012, 11:23 PM   #17
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Why? I have used .ppd file on both 32 & 64. What makes you think arch dependent? When configuring the printer you select the necessary file for service to the client.
Only some printers support configuration by ppd files -- many (most?) Brother printers *require* their proprietary printer drivers to do anything at all. When I first got my Brother MFC-665CW it worked great, but Brother has never updated the drivers and compatibility gets worse with each Slackware upgrade (ie. with newer CUPS/lpr). The Brother drivers ignore application-level settings entirely now and will only use the default settings -- I had to rig up a script that modifies the default printer settings that I run before printing anything (otherwise I waste colour ink when I only need black). With Brother, you get a decent setup initially, but the experience degrades due to the proprietary abandonware drivers. They also usually only release 32-bit drivers so that's another possible complication.

All printers and all printer companies suck. I had a great Lexmark printer that never had any problems on Windows that is effectively a paperweight with Linux, and a Brother printer whose driver support degrades ungracefully. Picking a printer that actually satisfies is like taking a random walk in a minefield -- you'll either get lucky or you won't.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 12:29 AM   #18
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The OP may disagree, but I absolutely love HP's Linux compatibility, and the one time I needed to update HPLIP it was as easy as grabbing the tarball and executing the slackbuild from the main tree. The previous post is a great reminder why having to update a driver for newer hardware isn't a bad thing, and let's face it, sometimes Slackware is a version or more behind current offering from upstream. And I don't think it's that uncommon to be getting misleading tech support when it comes to linux. Hell, my isp won't even attempt to help me if I tell them I'm using linux and they are one of the biggest in the US.

My experience with HP has always been that it is quicker to set up printing (even my new wireless HP printer serving all my machines which only cost $60) in Slackware than any other printer using any other OS. Scanning, printing, wireless, even web printing from my iPhone just work.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 08:58 AM   #19
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Only some printers support configuration by ppd files -- many (most?) Brother printers *require* their proprietary printer drivers to do anything at all. When I first got my Brother MFC-665CW it worked great, but Brother has never updated the drivers and compatibility gets worse with each Slackware upgrade (ie. with newer CUPS/lpr). The Brother drivers ignore application-level settings entirely now and will only use the default settings -- I had to rig up a script that modifies the default printer settings that I run before printing anything (otherwise I waste colour ink when I only need black). With Brother, you get a decent setup initially, but the experience degrades due to the proprietary abandonware drivers. They also usually only release 32-bit drivers so that's another possible complication.

All printers and all printer companies suck. I had a great Lexmark printer that never had any problems on Windows that is effectively a paperweight with Linux, and a Brother printer whose driver support degrades ungracefully. Picking a printer that actually satisfies is like taking a random walk in a minefield -- you'll either get lucky or you won't.
I have not used the inkjet style printer(s) here for a long time. B&W laser is good enough for tasks here thus the low cost Brother laser. For me any color prints are cheaper to take the prints to a local shop. Cheaper & no hassle!

There were times when I had to hunt for configuration settings but now that I have stayed with a Brother series lasers the issues no longer occur. No need to compile for a 'PPD', earlier we had to use the tools to provide a proper or multitude of different 'PPD' files to provide a particular definition in order to print. Now, No issue with CUPS nor when I upgrade Slackware. My HL-1440 is over 7 years old and still prints. Sadly it requires a host while the others are network capable.

PPD is a Postscript Printer Description file that defines or describes the printers capability to the Postscript driver. Plain text file so I cannot see how that would be arch dependent. Postscript driver would be the culprit that would be arch dependent. Gutenprint along with CUPS provides the user with a good way of configuring a printer. Sadly some printers really fail when using Postscript or even 'PCL'.

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High quality drivers for Canon, Epson, Lexmark, Sony, Olympus, and PCL printers for use with CUPS, Ghostscript, Foomatic, and GIMP. Gutenprint was formerly called Gimp-Print. Gimp-Print 4.2.7 (the last Gimp-Print 4.2 release) is still available for distribution, but is no longer supported. You may install both Gimp-Print 4.2.7 and Gutenprint 5.0, 5.1, and/or 5.2 concurrently and choose which to use. We recommend that all users use the latest 5.2 release; we are not going to do any further 5.0 releases.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 09:30 AM   #20
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From my own personal experience, I've got a Brother HL-2035, which was £50 at the time I bought it, does a great job as a B&W lazer toner printer, and is cheap to refill myself.

Linux drivers are available from Brother, although I had to convert them from .rpm format (if I remember correctly) to .tgz files.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 10:01 AM   #21
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PPD Compiler;
Introduction to the PPD Compiler This document describes how to use the CUPS PostScript Printer Description (PPD) file compiler. The PPD compiler generates PPD files from simple text files that describe the features and capabilities of one or more printers.
Have fun!
 
Old 10-02-2012, 02:38 PM   #22
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Think I will look over the Brother printers as well now.
BTW I discovered a fairly extensive list which describes printers and their background:
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docvie...2569c10078d695
This concludes this post stream.
 
Old 10-02-2012, 05:28 PM   #23
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Rather than try to follow the LSB 3.2 conversion for Slackware I would appreciate hearing which printers Slackers have recently acquired from like Walmart, BestBuy, Target, or Office Depot that have installed with little more than a download of manufacturers drivers. I am looking to keep it under $70 as my needs are critical but simple.
Hardware cost isn't much an issue today. In the consumer segment you primarily pay more or less for a working printing (or scanning) software stack.

At a very low budget, you get a paper-eating brick and printing software, which only runs on Windows. Invest a bit more and you get a printer with a raster image processor (RIP), which can execute software on its own and has it pre-installed on the printer.

If the printer (the software on it) understands Postscript, all you need is a text file: A Postscript printer description (PPD) that tells your application (via CUPS) what your printer looks like. And then it just works[tm]. No driver or LSB 3.2 conversion needed.

Another issue is the data connection to the printer. Numerous standards come and go: serial port, Centronics parallel port, USB, Firewire, Thunderbolt and so on. But there is one technology, which is established and long-term-stable: Ethernet and its compatible wireless brother WLAN. So get a Postscript printer with and Ethernet interface and you're done.
 
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:40 PM   #24
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Brother 135C
 
Old 10-03-2012, 03:15 AM   #25
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[SOLVED] Need low cost, simple to install on Slackware printer

A Post Mort um:
With special thanks to T3slider for comments on Brother's drivers.
For the HPers note: if the HPLIP supplied with UR system has a problem as 3.11.3a in 13.37 does U will have problems which can waste many 10s of hours resolving. And there is NO guarantee that upgrading a product will not introduce further problems and dependency relationships can rear their ugly heads.
Not knowing if a set of drivers is necessary and sufficient with a particular distro has become a major headache for this reason: when U buy (even if Linux drivers are stipulated) U have to find the drivers, shoe horn them in sometimes, add rules to make it work and other matters which can drive U crazy, make U change distros, or become a slave to M$.
Finding any info on available printers is very time consuming. Printers on the shelf change every 6+ months so that makes it even harder to find information about a specific product.
Pardon me but from my ghastly experiences with Canon and HP I hope someone or somehow an ingenious benefactor will write a wrapper or a set of wrappers that can speak several of the printer languages (e.g. PPD, PS, HPT, et. al.) and connect that to Linux so that manufacturers can live within themselves the distros will cover sufficient numbers to make it easy to buy, connect and walla just like plug-n-play. Whew am I lazy??
Epson has a set of steps to follow to accomodate their printerS without the need of LSB 3.2. So it is nearly a slam dunk (I hope).
 
  


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